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Iltis EIS for equipment: ID of items
I have attached two photographs from what I think is from the EIS for the Canadian Bombardier Iltis. These images allegedly came out of the Petawawa area from a training document. One image has more "stuff" than the other.... not sure why. I wish the images were higher resolution, but that is what was shared.
If folks could ID all the items, it would be appreciated. I do like the wooden ice scrapper, which looks like a standard Canadian Tire version from the 80's...... Your thoughts? Cheers! Stuart Last edited by Stuart Fedak; 03-04-19 at 04:37. |
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In photo two I see(front row):
- Shovel (commercial off the shelf rather than the original split wood for the handle) -Spout, can, flexible (some soldiers told me the other day they can't use the term horsecock anymore, but they can still say f***) -1/2" sliding T (likely used for drain plug removal, although not on an Iltis) -first aid kit -unstucker kit and drums (unstucker plates look like 5/4 ton) Middle Row -handle, jack (not an Iltis item but more likely 1/4 ton or 5/4 ton) -Pouch, tool (underneath the following tools --tire pressure gauge --Screwdriver, #3 phillips 10" --Screwdriver, #2 phillips 4" --Screwdriver, flat tip, 8" --Wrench, adjustable, 8" --Flare kit (safety triangles) - Chain set, tire -can, liquid (scepter gas can)-scraper, frost, commercial pattern Back Row -Wheel wrench (again, 5/4 ton or possibly M38A1) -Fire extinguisher, ansul 5 pound ABC (blue) -axe -head, pick handle (helve) cam net white cam net green My money says this photo is for a 5/4 ton. |
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Now for the Iltis pile (photo 1)
Front Row: -not sure first canvas item, possibly the tool roll for the iltis. Next to it is the canvas that stows all the cam covers with the tools laid out on top. -plier, multiple tongue and groove (common names slip joint or water pump pliers) -wrench adjustable, 8" -screwdrivers, most likely a flat and a philips -tire pressure gauge -two padlocks -ice scraper -brush, hogbristle (not sure on that one though...looks a little big) -above that, the iltis tommy bar, wheel wrench socket, and allen key for drain plugs -not sure what the square is -above them appears to be the axe -extinguisher, 5lb ansul blue ABC -not sure what the next lump is -winter cam net Back Row -Iltis jack -Block jack -Wheel chock - there is something behind the wheel chock...perhaps a non-standard first aid kit? -door safety chains -reflector set -commercial shovel at top -the various cam covers for the windshield, headlamps, mirrors... -can liquid (20l scepter) Net, camoflauge, green (summer) Not sure what the large thing is above the shovel. Of course the Iltis photo has more stuff than the 5/4 ton. You needed a lot more tooling in the hopes you could keep it running. The standardising of the little things like the various cam pouches for mirrors etc add a lot to the checklist. I think I see items on there that are not Iltis checklist, whilel at the same time I don't see the adapter for the old 1/4 ton spare tire. Last edited by rob love; 17-09-18 at 05:36. |
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You are right, it will be the battery cover/winter front.
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1: a cellphone 2: a booklet of matches. The already provided "can, gas and liquid" will provide the other component required for this permanent repair. 3: Bus tokens 4: A large case of hindsight for having bought one in the first place. 5: a link on your smartphone to kijiji.ca with a longterm pre-set search for "M38A1". |
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I did see the shorter (?) bolts for the original german method of bolting on the spare start showing up in the supply system.. Not sure if that was intentional or just a slip-up. Last edited by rob love; 17-09-18 at 14:54. |
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The Iltis is a nice collectible if you like trouble , no parts availability and plastic parts that disintegrate in the sun . And then you would of thought that they got their experience with the Iltis debacle . The powers that be then bought an even worse nightmare : The G Wagon. Top heavy, we lost good men to rollovers . All the while , our neighbours down South had a hard time giving away Hummvees that worked , have spare parts for them , have enough power and come with up armour kits . Oh , i forgot . They even have IED simulators for them . Like a helicopter dunker . You sit in it , you buckle up and then you blow. You have to learn to get out and set up perimeter defence and tend the wounded . Now that’s a real combat set up for the real world. I had never seen so realistic training . In a Iltis you can die hitting a deer crossing in front of you Christ ! Go figure . Iltis = Ross rifle . Canadians setting up Canadian soldiers for failure . We should erase the memory . Nice collectible though . Had 3 at one point . Why , i can’t explain ?
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Canadian Iltis Bombardier
I have a Canadian Iltis Bombardier since 2009 and, despite a few minor repairs, I still have a lot of fun! Have a lot of attention here in Holland. Also because I have a Canadian flag on it. It is a real collectors item / eye catcher here in Holland!
As far as I know, there is only one Canadian Iltis Bombardier in Holland. In Belgium a few look a likes. I can imagine that they did not like the Canadian army, but for me it is a nice vehicle! Greetings, Wout Jansen from Holland. |
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I have had my current M38A1 for over 10 years now. Had to replace the alternator once, and a tail lamp bulb. Beyond that, minor servicing only. Having worked on the Iltis since the time they came in to the CF until just about the time they left, it seemed that not only were we still fixing the same repetitive problems they had when they were new, but time and mileage compounded a lot of the problems. I will give them points for having decent fuel mileage and highway speed, but then so does a Honda. An Iltis won't compare to a Jeep cross country. |
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Hey guys, i'm sure you are both "right" It is good to hear the different perspectives and also good to see there are supporters of the variety.
At least Stuart, you don't have the Carrier sickness.
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Stuart you are right . I lost my objectivity . As i said in the beginning, it is a nice collectible. It goes at 90 KM / hr nicely to get to events, something i can’t do with my GPW . It is more likely 65 Km/ hr . I remember crushing one accidentaly while backing up ( a Iltis ) to the axles with a M113 in Suffield in 1990. The rear sentry was not doing his job but as crew commander, i was responsible for that one ( you could hide 3 Iltis ´s in a M113 dead angles ) . Best day in my service life ( going on my 32 ) . If it had not been for the crew of two occupants that barely made it out just in time to save their lives ( yes you can get out of one pretty fast contrary to appearances ) we would all of started laughing. The poor Capt.( a tanker ) had been struggling all week trying to keep up with my Coy mounted on the 113’s . Only time he could really do it was when we were stopped pulling another winning piece of kit out if the sand with our tracked beauties : The wheeled Cougar tank / trainer / simulator piece of Canadian procurement ingenuity ( no offense meant Terry ) . The M113 were usefull so some were kept ( not cut up to prevent honest collectors from owning one ) re-kitted out , re-named T Lav’s and sent to Nathan Smith were i can attest it saved many lives from small arms and at least one ill sited Claymore . Not IED proof again by any stretch but that is the same story . No Iltis would of done that . The Iltis is the Champion Royale of the collectibles and did the Paris Dakar and was the ennemy of the God fearing and country loving Canadian soldier in any theater of war and even in training . Here is another sad story : A good soldier from a good Regt ( Sher H ) died when his driver went off the shoulder of a snowy country road near Bishopton Qc at 5 Km/ hr . His head was crushed between the ground and the ill devised roll bar . I grant the GPW does not even have a roll bar and hundreds got killed . All told I would buy another one if i found one in good condition . I guess i am a masochist . Sorry for the rant and hijack and congratulations for a nice resto. I am due for my therapy session.
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Drove my first M38 from Winnipeg to Borden back in March of 1981 to go to my TQ3 veh tech course. Madness. |
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any mention of that fancy cross shaped wrench with a bent leg?
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This is the kind of stuff I am talking about.
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Had more than a few MRT stops to help the operators loosen the wheel nuts. |
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I see shots like these and I want an Iltis
It usually passes...
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Awesome setup Stuart ! Keep em’ rolling. I am really sincere in my congratulations of your work. Enjoy the Iltis . Be really carefull because it can go way faster than it is safe to do so but you have already figured that out . It is a case where i am too close to the subject . M38’s , m151’s and MB/ GPW ´s were trucks of the generation before me. No bad personal experience with them so i feel more relaxed with them . Cheers , Robert. PS: I have an original , good running good condition 1942 F-15A GS that i got in return of a trade for my three Ilti ´s . One was running , licensed and in general good condition but wrong colour , one was way past restorable and used for spares and the third just had the engine that was restorable . I feel i made a good deal for my purposes and collection. I now concentrate on WW2 Cdn equipment .
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Stuart you hit it on the spot. You are a good person . Robert
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