"1942 Marmon-Herrington ID Plate Chinese Truck" - Chinese, anyone?!?

[John OReilly]

Not sure if this is any help at all but I did a walkaround of one recovered.There are casting numbers on pic 68.
http://s1046.photobucket.com/albums/...0light%20tank/

[ron]

Wow what a find thanks for sharing the pics with us, do they intend to restore it?? thanks again regards Ron

[John OReilly]

Ron,it was recovered by 36 Service Battilion and it's been moved indoors inside the secure area.My understanding is that is their game plan.Also,there are more still buried in the area where they found it,as the Americans used some as range targets when the M3 Stuarts arrived.

[ron]

Hi John and thanks for the reply,lets hope that they are able to find some more, please keep us informed of any progress that you may hear of, thanks again Regards Ron

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

Two more data plates of Dutch Marmon-Herrington tanks have surfaced at the Aberdeen Proving Ground Museum - see
http://com-central.net/index.php?nam...wtopic&p=94647

A very interesting fact is that they are in Dutch!

Saving them here as photobucket is going out of business (due to becoming unworkable):

Source: Aberdeen Proving Grounds Museum, courtesy of Neil Baumgardner

Marmon-Herrington CTMS-1TB1 ADM NR 2751-3007



Marmon-Herrington MTLS-1G14 ADM NR 3059-4121

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Interesting picture made ca. 1946 in Bandung, Indonesia. It shows a variety of vehicles being repaired/ overhauled in a Netherlands Army workshop: Universal Carrier, M3 Stuart, Vickers Light Tank, and a Marmon-Herrington Tractor in the foreground.

The vehicles have a variety of backgrounds, including early WW2 Netherlands Army, like the Marmon-Herrington Tractor, early WW2 British Army like the Vickers. These vehicles were first captured by the Japanese Army, then the Indonesian Army, and finally the Netherlands Army. So this was not a case of "one careful owner", and the Netherlands Army had to keep a wildly varying fleet running with limited resources.



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[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by hansheesakkers

Only thing for sure is that the Dutch West Indies received 39 tanks from the dutch orders.

And this is one of them on the island of Curacao in the Dutch West Indies: Light tanks in cactus field near Willemstad.



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[marco]

Hanno,

Indianapolis was in the Cincinnati Ordnance district and the Ordnance District Chiefs at that time were Mr. E.A.Muller from May 1937 to July 1942 and Col. F.A. McMahon from July 1942 to December 1943.

Marco

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by marco

Indianapolis was in the Cincinnati Ordnance district and the Ordnance District Chiefs at that time were Mr. E.A.Muller from May 1937 to July 1942 and Col. F.A. McMahon from July 1942 to December 1943.

Thanks Marco!

Just for good measure, another picture of a Marmon-Herrington tanks during training at Hato, Curacao, ca. 1943:



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[Rob Cassin]

http://usautoindustryworldwartwo.com...herrington.htm

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

But as the US Army really had no need for them, the US government supplied them under the Military Assistance Program to the Netherlands goverment (Surinam and West Indies), various Latin-American countries (Cuba, Ecuador, Guatemala, Mexico) and, reportedly, China.

See MILITAIRE OEFENINGEN IN WEST-INDIE (military exercises in the West-Indies) for footage of Marmon-Herrington tanks in use in Surinam.

Scroll to 02:24 and 10:00 to see both Two and Three Man Tanks, plus various Marmon-Herrington trucks.

Enjoy,
Hanno

[colin jones]

Hi Hanno, the translation of the Chinese words from what I can translate is

Purpose Manufacture Number ……………………………….. TYPE

Engine Number ………………………………………………………. Date of Manufacture

Common Speed. …………………………………………………….. MAKE


The two empty lies at the bottom?

Som Ting Mis ing

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by colin jones

Hi Hanno, the translation of the Chinese words from what I can translate is

Purpose Manufacture Number ……………………………….. TYPE

Engine Number ………………………………………………………. Date of Manufacture

Common Speed. …………………………………………………….. MAKE


The two empty lies at the bottom?

Som Ting Mis ing

Hello Colin,

Thank for the translation, I am at loss when it comes to Chinese. This is the translation John came up with, it is pretty close to what you said:

Originally Posted by John McGillivray

There is one person from China, at the place where I work. I showed him the picture of the plate in the first post. His translation is as follows:

Serial Number…..…Type
Motor Number….….Date
Normal Speed……...Highest Speed.

I hope that this helps, or dose it muddy the water more?

Thank you "Xiānshēng" (hope I got that right),

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Bandoeng 1949, Marmon-Herrington CTL tanks awaiting to be scrapped:



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[Hanno Spoelstra]

More CTLs, and even a few Tractors:

Reportage / Serie [DLC] Generaal Doorman bezoekt Bandoeng
Beschrijving [LTD hoofdwerkplaats 81 te Bandoeng?] Defecte M2 Stuart tanks die worden gebruikt voor het leveren van onderdelen?
Datum 1946
Locatie Indonesië, Nederlands-Indië


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[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by John OReilly

Ron,it was recovered by 36 Service Battalion and it's been moved indoors inside the secure area. My understanding is that is their game plan.Also,there are more still buried in the area where they found it,as the Americans used some as range targets when the M3 Stuarts arrived.

Hello John, I came across this newsletter of 36 (NFLD) Service Battalion.

Do you know if it this Marmon-Herrington CTLS is still there? I read about it passing into civilian hands. Or was that another one?

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Here are better photos of my data plate:




The rear side has pencil marks. As far as I can make out what is written, it says

“Donald Trudeau”
“4/4/56”
“DO NOT CUT”
[Illegible]

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Further to the intention to deliver Marmon-Herrington CTLS tanks to China, I found this image from a US publication. Note that the caption included "China":


Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:T16_light_tank.jpg


Also:
"More than 600 of the T16 CTMS tanks were supposed to be delivered to China under Lend-Lease after Pearl Harbor, the logistical difficulty and its obsolete design compelled the Chinese to reject the offer"
Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanks_of_China and https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deve...7%E2%80%931945)