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Old 11-10-05, 13:12
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Any help in ID'ing this Axle? I am presuming it's Ford, although it could be a Timken from another vehicle. The differential centre is smaller than CMP or Carrier, and is pictured upside down ie the axle mounts under the springs. The wheelstud pattern is smaller than the Ford Truck 5 stud pattern, but not small enough for Jeep/sedan style rims. There is no provision for mounting shock arms on the axle, perhaps they were on the u-bolt clamp?
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Old 11-10-05, 13:16
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The two-piece rim has no markings that I can see. The 9.25-16 run flat tyre is made in Canada in 1943.
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Old 11-10-05, 13:17
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The wheelstud pattern is smaller than the Ford Truck 5 stud pattern, but not small enough for Jeep/sedan style rims.
Perhaps off a Ford Commercial (-ton) chassis?

Interesting!

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Old 11-10-05, 13:23
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My first thought was that this could have been an MCP or Marmon-Herrington axle, but they have a more pronounced "dish" in the wheel centres.
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Old 11-10-05, 14:42
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This link http://www.oldcmp.net/wheels_tyres.html goes to an old Canadian vehicles site and there there is a picture of a tyre with the same markings except that the year is 1942. Text attached states that "Worn 1942 dated Goodyear NCD tyre for 16" rim. This is a Canadian tyre. A good example of a 16" Dunlop Track Grip Chevron pattern directional tyre" (if I'm teaching grandmothers to suck eggs my apologies). There is also a photo of such a tyre still attached to a CMP in Australia where I understand many such vehicles went to die at the end of WW2.
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Old 11-10-05, 15:13
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There is also a photo of such a tyre still attached to a CMP in Australia where I understand many such vehicles went to die at the end of WW2.
Coff! Splutter! WHAT!!!!

This has to be the only place in the world where CMPs are as loved and cared for as only Aussies can! Well, OK, some Chevs have died, but that can't be helped.
That is quite an interesting link, thank you.
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Old 11-10-05, 16:47
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Perhaps I should have said to pass their twilight years
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Old 11-10-05, 21:54
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LMAO!

Tony, the wheels look suspiciously similar, as the AWM shot was obviously in very strong sunlight which may make the "dish" appear different.

Maybe it's our strong sunlight which preserves these CMPs.

In point of fact both of us have been responsible for the dismembering of dead CMPs at some stage, haven't we? But then again, we've also been responsible for reviving a few near-death ones too.

So many CMPs, so little time (sigh).
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Old 11-10-05, 22:47
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Tony the wheel and diff are off a 4X2 Ford. There were several at Kingaroy and here is a couple of photos.

Below the truck. 1941 Ford. I think this is one of your pics too Tony.
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Old 11-10-05, 22:48
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wheel off the above truck. Pic by me.

PS> the white square on the hub is 50mm square so I can scale off the pic at a later stage for modelling purposes.
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Old 12-10-05, 07:22
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If that axle is what I think it is, it would sure look good at my place. Depends on the stud pattern but it looks like the axle would fit a ford one ton ute, just like mine. Gee your a good mate, Tony.
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PS. I have fixed dads mistakes so that you can now all understand what he was trying to say. I guess that is what happens when you get old.
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Old 12-10-05, 08:45
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wheel off the above truck. Pic by me.
That was my original guess, too, Cliff, but it's much smaller. Note on the MCP wheel how the outside rim is only a rim that bolts on, not a full disc? The stud pattern is Ford "Big" Truck, too. The MCP/Marmon wheels do have a much more pronounced dish than the wheel I've pictured.
I might have to cart it down to Yass to see what it fits.:
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Old 13-10-05, 17:35
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The axle looks to be from a 1941 11Y 1 Ton Ford , those are the Aust. pattern 16" split rims only seen on that model . The 1940 01Y was similar but had the civvy type 7.00-17 rims . The 11Y was militarised to a point with heavier channel bumber , D tow rings and the spring radiator guard. Some of them had a roadster cab fitted. There was also a ' in between ' 11D 3/4 ton model , which used the same chassis and axle , but fitted with car type rims . I had a ex army 11D on the road in the late 1980's . The wheelbase on these is 122" .

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