CFR Request Thread

[SteveJ]

Except to those trying to preserve military history.

Very sad

[Jerry.Steber]

I recently purchased an M38A1 CDN2. The CFR is 67-07770. Would you please be so kind and provide me what you can from the Canadian Forces database. I am located in Pennsylvania.

Thank you for your time.

Jerry Steber

Chief Warrant Officer 4
US Army

[rob love]

CFR No 07770
CFR Year 1967
Serial No 7105-97241
Actual ECC 121201
Authorized ECC 121201
NSN ERN 30103
Holding Unit 0107
DA Unit 0107
Date Acquired 01-Jan-67
Cost 0Alloc Code MA
Comm Suite Current VMO DP356294 - 28-Aug-86
HN Date 17-Dec-86
Pending? No
Disposed? Yes
Disposal Date 17-Nov-86
Vehicle was in Petawawa area on disposal. It may have been there all it's life but the new viewer doesn't say.

[Frank v R]

I know this vehicle, you have a great amount of work ahead of you , good luck on your new project,

[maple_leaf_eh]

Originally Posted by Jerry.Steber

...

Thank you for your time.

Jerry Steber

Chief Warrant Officer 4
US Army

Which branch of the service?

[jaysond]

I recently purchased an 85 Bombardier Iltis. The CFR is 86386.

I'd love to learn more about its history if someone could look it up for me in the EDR viewer.

Thank's so much in advance!

[maple_leaf_eh]

Originally Posted by jaysond

I recently purchased an 85 Bombardier Iltis. The CFR is 86386.

I'd love to learn more about its history if someone could look it up for me in the EDR viewer.

Thank's so much in advance!

CFR Information
CFR No 86386
CFR Year 1985
Serial No BI01-01-85-86386
Actual ECC 121501 "TRUCK UTILITY LT ILTIS 4X4 MIL DES CDN BASIC"
Authorized ECC 121501
NSN 2320-21-895-3768
ERN 30111
Holding Unit 0105*
DA Unit 0105
Date Acquired 22-Oct-85
Cost 26363
Alloc Code MB**
Comm Suite
Current VMO DLE22920 - 24-Oct-05***
HN Date 12-Dec-06
Pending? No
Disposed? Yes
Disposal Date 24-Nov-05

*UIC ID 0105
Canadian Forces Base/Area Support Unit Gagetown
**DISPOSAL THROUGH VEHICLE FLEET REMARKETING SERVICES (UNSCHEDULED ATTRITION - NDHQ CONTROLLED)
*** Yours was part of a big Vehicle Movement Order (VMO) ...
ECC(S)/CCM(S) CFR(S)/MATRICULE(S) COMM SUITE/SUITE DE COMM
121501 84-86100 NONE/AUCUN
121501 84-86273 NONE/AUCUN
121501 85-86385 NONE/AUCUN
121501 85-86386 NONE/AUCUN
121501 85-86387 NONE/AUCUN
121501 85-86458 NONE/AUCUN
121501 85-86607 NONE/AUCUN
121501 85-86722 NONE/AUCUN
121501 85-86744 NONE/AUCUN
121501 85-86748 NONE/AUCUN
121501 85-86939 NONE/AUCUN
121501 85-87087 NONE/AUCUN
121501 85-87122 NONE/AUCUN
121501 85-87350 NONE/AUCUN
121501 85-87835 NONE/AUCUN
121501 86-30761 NONE/AUCUN
121501 86-88313 NONE/AUCUN
121501 86-88694 NONE/AUCUN
121501 86-88695 NONE/AUCUN
121501 86-88710 NONE/AUCUN
121501 86-88753 NONE/AUCUN
121501 86-88757 NONE/AUCUN
NSN : 2320-21-895-3769 TRUCK AMBULANCE LT ILTIS 4X4 MIL DES CDN
ECC(S)/CCM(S) CFR(S)/MATRICULE(S) COMM SUITE/SUITE DE COMM
121503 86-88785 NONE/AUCUN
121503 86-88786 NONE/AUCUN
121503 86-88838 NONE/AUCUN
121519 86-87998 NONE/AUCUN
121519 86-88134 NONE/AUCUN
2. FROM/DE 0105 CFB ASU GAGETOWN
3. TO/A 0105 CFB ASU GAGETOWN

[Dave deBlois]

Recently took possession on not sure of year Iltis believe 85 or six

4-86215

[rob love]

Originally Posted by Dave deBlois

Recently took possession on not sure of year Iltis believe 85 or six

4-86215

It would appear to be a 1984 model.

[Dave deBlois]

Thanks Rob

Would it still be possible to get a history of this?

Dave,

[maple_leaf_eh]

In compliance with subj order referring to unauthorized disclosure of information, I will not answer any further requests for EDR information. Not that old files on surplussed trucks are likely to compromise national security but the EDR falls within the bounds of security orders.

However, I strongly encourage all members of MLU to pay $5 and submit an Access to Information request to DND indicating that they wish to receive electronic copies of all files held on the EDR and any other appropriate sources for (insert CFR or serial number and model identification). The system is designed to respond within 30 days and the returns are likely to be more explicit than any details myself or others in the service might be able to find on coffee breaks or at lunchtime.

[Luc Perreault]

Can you have any numbers for M113 APC? Thank's

[rob love]

If it was Cdn M113A1, A2 or A3 (TLAV), the basic data will be there. But as Terry said, there was a recent DND wide reminder about passing on seemingly innocent info from the Defense Information System to the public. So unfortunately each person will now have to put in a freedom to access of information request to DND for this information. Good news is they only cost $5 and the basic data is still there (for now).

[SilvioI]

I see records are available of for regular M113s, are M113 1/2 Lynx Recce records available?

[SilvioI]

Also, what is the CFR number? Is this the same as the serial number?

[maple_leaf_eh]

CFR is Canadian Forces Registration. A five-figure number used on the licence plate and most commonly used as the shorthand identification of one vehicle from another. Often spoken with the two-figure year of acquisition in front.

So my M38A1CDN3 is too much name for the ordinary user. It would have been 70-08876 or just eight seven six in service. The numbers have rolled over 99999 and the low numbers are being reissued on new stuff.

To answer your questions, yes the data was still available last month before the orders were passed. Should still be there, but make the Access to Information Request pronto.

http://www.forces.gc.ca/en/transpare...est-forms.page

[SilvioI]

Thanks, I know what you are talking about. I will get the info tomorrow. What orders?

[maple_leaf_eh]

Originally Posted by SilvioI

Thanks, I know what you are talking about. I will get the info tomorrow. What orders?

Deputy Minister and Chief of the Defence Staff message 1 Dec 15

It was released within the department and I could not locate the full text on-line. Perhaps it was never intended for worldwide consumption but directed to serving military and civilian personnel only.

[rob love]

Originally Posted by SilvioI

What orders?

There was a directive from very high up that information contained on the defense information network (DIN) was not to be released to the public without gong through proper channels. As such, I don't think anybody either in uniform or in civilian clothing with access to the DIN will want to breech that order. As such, I am pretty sure that as it stands, Hanno or a moderator could lock this whole thread.

[SilvioI]

So should I just not bother to post the vehicle info?

[SilvioI]

For what it is worth, here it is

FMC 1967 Lynx Recon Vehicle

Mfg serial number CRZ-0031

CRF number 35830

[Ed Storey]

Are you sure it is not CR-2-0021?

[SilvioI]

The dataplate said CRZ-0031

[Ed Storey]

How about sending along a photo?

[SilvioI]

Originally Posted by Ed Storey

How about sending along a photo?

I do not have a photo right now because it was dark inside the carrier and I did not have a flashlight. I had just enough light to read the dataplate by eye and I wrote it down.

I can show you a pic of the CFR number however as it is painted on externally.

[rob love]

It was recorded by the CF as CR2. Don't ask me how I know.

[SilvioI]

Ok. I probably miss read it. I will go back and take a photo of it tomorrow.

[Ed Storey]

Yes, double-checking might be best. If you can get a photograph to confirm helps.

Didn't I already ask if it was CR-2-whatever in an earlier post...

Rob, I think you should be on the list for a free book as you established what the vehicle was actually called.

[SilvioI]

I knew what the vehicle was called. I put M113 1/2 Lynx as this distinguishes it from the Ford Lynx wheeled recon vehicle. This term is also used to ID it on other websites and photo galleries. Also adding M113 generally gets more attention.

[Ed Storey]

Then why not write on the M113? Using a fictitious vehicle name gives zero credibility to your proposed book. You are also starting out on the wrong foot if you are going to use photo galleries and websites as your source of information.