MLU FORUM  

Go Back   MLU FORUM > MILITARY VEHICLES > The Softskin Forum

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 27-03-05, 01:43
Hanno Spoelstra's Avatar
Hanno Spoelstra Hanno Spoelstra is online now
MLU Administrator
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 14,419
Default Wartime pictures: 20-cwt trailers

Split off from Canadian 20-cwt GS Trailer:

Quote:
Originally posted by Hanno Spoelstra
Have you ever seen wartime pictures of these 20-cwt trailers, either Water Tank, GS, Welding, etc.?
Found one! A water trailer in front of a building in Tilburg hit by a V-1.

Name:  Mariengaarde-1.jpg
Views: 235
Size:  64.4 KB
source
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 25-01-06, 17:12
Hanno Spoelstra's Avatar
Hanno Spoelstra Hanno Spoelstra is online now
MLU Administrator
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 14,419
Default Re: Re: Water Trailer.

Quote:
Originally posted by Hanno Spoelstra
Have you ever seen wartime pictures of these 20-cwt trailers, ... Water Tank ... ?
Hummelo Holland Kids Cheer Brit Assault Thru Town Photo Item number: 6596542845

"An Original and Authentic 7 x 9 Inch World War Two WWII Hummelo Holland Netherlands Dutch Kids Cheer British Assault Through Town 4.11.45 Dated Official News PERIOD Captioned Photograph
This is a super-sharp photograph of what is identified as a truck of the British 2nd Army. Note the Netherlands flag flying in the foreground."

Click image for larger version

Name:	photodutchflagbrittruck-cropped.jpg
Views:	975
Size:	47.8 KB
ID:	8121
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 26-01-06, 00:41
Gunner Gunner is offline
T' Guns thank God t' guns
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Near Ottawa, Canada
Posts: 776
Default "British" Assault

Hi Hanno:

Interesting caption... looks like CL on the census number.

First time I've seen a photo of the star painted onto the tarpaulin like that.

Cheers! Mike
__________________
Mike Calnan
Ubique!
("Everywhere", the sole Battle Honour of the Royal Regiment of Canadian Artillery)
www.calnan.com/swords
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 07-09-07, 22:12
Hanno Spoelstra's Avatar
Hanno Spoelstra Hanno Spoelstra is online now
MLU Administrator
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 14,419
Default

Other than the picture in Gregg's book, this is the first wartime picture I have ever seen of a 20-cwt GS trailer. And it was taken in Holland! Berlagebrug, Amsterdam, 8 May 1945.

Click image for larger version

Name:	20-cwt_trailer_amsterdam.jpg
Views:	8
Size:	115.2 KB
ID:	106409
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 08-09-07, 08:55
Col Tigwell Col Tigwell is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Snug Tasmania
Posts: 382
Default

I see a better use for the hatch has been found.

Regards

Col
__________________
Vietnam Vet and proud of it.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 30-12-07, 17:19
Hanno Spoelstra's Avatar
Hanno Spoelstra Hanno Spoelstra is online now
MLU Administrator
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 14,419
Default

20-cwt trailer on tow behind jeep, picture taken directly outside one of Pearson premises at Liverpool


Source: Bedford military-front and civvy-front types

Last edited by Hanno Spoelstra; 03-10-11 at 21:34. Reason: fixed link
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 07-02-08, 12:09
Alex van de Wetering Alex van de Wetering is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Hoofddorp, The Netherlands
Posts: 2,673
Default

I stumbled upon another period 20cwt water trailer picture on the city archives of 's Hertogenbosch website.

Click image for larger version

Name:	sHertogenbosch.jpg
Views:	147
Size:	61.0 KB
ID:	19359

Click image for larger version

Name:	sHertogenbosch2.jpg
Views:	193
Size:	88.8 KB
ID:	19360
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 09-02-08, 21:59
Hanno Spoelstra's Avatar
Hanno Spoelstra Hanno Spoelstra is online now
MLU Administrator
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 14,419
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex van de Wetering View Post
I stumbled upon another period 20cwt water trailer picture
Excellent, thanks!

Judging by the 16-inch wheels, this was a 15-cwt version.

H.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 18-02-08, 12:45
Alex van de Wetering Alex van de Wetering is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Hoofddorp, The Netherlands
Posts: 2,673
Default

Quote:
Excellent, thanks!

Judging by the 16-inch wheels, this was a 15-cwt version.
Well spotted, Hanno. Here is another one, again with 16inch wheels. August 1944, Normandy, Prinses Irene Brigade.


source: beeldbank.nationaalarchief.nl

Alex

Click image for larger version

Name:	338523[1]B.jpg
Views:	155
Size:	96.5 KB
ID:	19566
__________________
Chevrolet C8 cab 11 FFW
BSA Folding Bicycle
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 18-02-08, 18:54
Eric B Eric B is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Canada
Posts: 580
Default Trailer T reflector

Hello
I have the oppertunity to make some T reflectors for the Cdn and British 1940's trailers. Is there an interest?

I am also looking for any data pertaining to the Canadian 10cwt trailers, both CMP and 1/4 ton.
Thanks
Eric
__________________
Collecting data on the WW2 Canadian jeep and trailer.
Serial, WD Numbers etc.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 19-02-08, 12:13
Hanno Spoelstra's Avatar
Hanno Spoelstra Hanno Spoelstra is online now
MLU Administrator
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 14,419
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
I have the oppertunity to make some T reflectors for the Cdn and British 1940's trailers. Is there an interest?
Eric,

Sure, let us know the details!

Hanno
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 19-02-08, 17:07
Hanno Spoelstra's Avatar
Hanno Spoelstra Hanno Spoelstra is online now
MLU Administrator
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 14,419
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex van de Wetering View Post
Well spotted, Hanno. Here is another one, again with 16inch wheels. August 1944, Normandy, Prinses Irene Brigade
Erm, actually, this is a British 15-cwt water trailer with 13 inch wheels. . .

Click image for larger version

Name:	foto_208_1425.jpg
Views:	2
Size:	256.1 KB
ID:	106411
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 19-02-08, 21:59
Hanno Spoelstra's Avatar
Hanno Spoelstra Hanno Spoelstra is online now
MLU Administrator
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 14,419
Default

Post-war pic of three 20-cwt trailers in Holland, these were modified for use by a friend's father, Mr. Beijersbergen, for carting around building materials. GMC trucks were used to pull them.

Click image for larger version

Name:	Beijersbergen_20-cwt.jpg
Views:	5
Size:	69.9 KB
ID:	106374
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 15-04-08, 10:56
Alex van de Wetering Alex van de Wetering is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Hoofddorp, The Netherlands
Posts: 2,673
Default

It's hard to see if this one is 15 or 20 cwt, but here goes...


Alex

source: "Belgie 44, de Bevrijding", written by Peter Taghon

Click image for larger version

Name:	Water-trailer.jpg
Views:	103
Size:	205.2 KB
ID:	20836
__________________
Chevrolet C8 cab 11 FFW
BSA Folding Bicycle
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 06-07-08, 21:44
Hanno Spoelstra's Avatar
Hanno Spoelstra Hanno Spoelstra is online now
MLU Administrator
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 14,419
Default

Groningen city park, 1945.

Click image for larger version

Name:	OVMG_1123_001.jpg
Views:	10
Size:	80.9 KB
ID:	106375

Source: Groninger archieven, courtesy of Arjan van der Hoek.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 03-01-13, 22:46
Hanno Spoelstra's Avatar
Hanno Spoelstra Hanno Spoelstra is online now
MLU Administrator
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 14,419
Default

Another picture of a 20-cwt trailer.

From the Belgian Brigade Piron website, captioned: "May 1945, Cpl Florent Dutrieux on the Rhine crossing".

Thanks to Guy over on HMVF for finding it.

H.

Click image for larger version

Name:	tem_dutrieux_4.jpg
Views:	65
Size:	21.9 KB
ID:	53977
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 06-12-14, 10:07
Hanno Spoelstra's Avatar
Hanno Spoelstra Hanno Spoelstra is online now
MLU Administrator
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 14,419
Default

20-cwt water trailer towed by a cab 11 or 12 60-cwt truck.

Who: Canadian army?

Where: the Netherlands?

Click image for larger version

Name:	image.jpg
Views:	57
Size:	92.2 KB
ID:	69514
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 07-12-14, 23:20
Alex van de Wetering Alex van de Wetering is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Hoofddorp, The Netherlands
Posts: 2,673
Default

Quote:
20-cwt water trailer towed by a cab 11 or 12 60-cwt truck.
Interesting picture, Hanno. Judging from the angles of the engine cover, it's a cab12. The body looks like a British built wooden GS body to me.

Is that the Guards Armoured divison sign on the fender? If the AoS is the same as the Bedford QL behind it, than it could be "Armoured Brigade Motor Batallion", Guards Armoured Brigade.
Background does look very Dutch, by the way!

Alex
__________________
Chevrolet C8 cab 11 FFW
BSA Folding Bicycle
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 27-03-15, 00:17
Alex van de Wetering Alex van de Wetering is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Hoofddorp, The Netherlands
Posts: 2,673
Default

Here is a picture from the Groesbeek museum website. (I added a bit more contrast and sharpened it a little)

Alex

source: http://www.bevrijdingsmuseum.nl/

And a bigger copy: http://perssupport.nl/apssite/persbe...nlandoffensief

Click image for larger version

Name:	Rijnlandoffensief+Britse+soldaat+in+Geldern+AG+McKell-GROESBEEK.jpg
Views:	30
Size:	69.5 KB
ID:	71981
__________________
Chevrolet C8 cab 11 FFW
BSA Folding Bicycle
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 09-02-17, 21:58
Alex van de Wetering Alex van de Wetering is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Hoofddorp, The Netherlands
Posts: 2,673
Default

20cwt trailer in Groningen

source: http://beeldbankgroningen.nl/

Click image for larger version

Name:	20cwt-BeeldbankGroningen.jpg
Views:	15
Size:	123.8 KB
ID:	88559
__________________
Chevrolet C8 cab 11 FFW
BSA Folding Bicycle
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 14-02-17, 17:54
George McKenzie George McKenzie is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Northern Alberta CA
Posts: 451
Default 20CWT trailers

I have a axel with 1100x20 tires on it .It had springs on it. Bud wheels ,5 bolts .Could have been from a trailer like this??
__________________
George is hooked on OD
5 window DT969
8 ton Fruehauf trailer
M2A1Halftrack ,CMP #11 F15A1 #13 F15A1
RAF Fordson Tractor, 42 WLC HD
No.2MK11 CT267514 center CB24713 bottom hull25701 ,No.2 MK2 parts
MK1 10128 ,(2) MK1 ,Parts Hull9305 .Hull 10407
Hull plate # 7250 all have walk plate on back steps
1917 Patent modle amphibious army tank
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 15-02-17, 01:00
Bob Carriere Bob Carriere is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Hammond, Ontario
Posts: 5,198
Default Interesting pictures

But it seems all the GS have wooden boxes........ were any made with steel GS configuration in 20cwt.

We have the frame of a water tanker trailer with the old civilian 8:25 x20 rims.

Help my failing memory but was the steel GS trailer on 16 in. CMP rims only 15cwt capacity?

Cheers
__________________
Bob Carriere....B.T.B
C15a Cab 11
Hammond, Ontario
Canada
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 15-02-17, 01:57
Grant Bowker Grant Bowker is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Ottawa, Canada
Posts: 2,287
Default

There is a steel 20 cwt GS described in the AEDB design records. Like the wood bodies it has the stepped sides. The 15cwt had flat/vertical sides without the step.
Normally, the 15cwt had 16" wheels and the 20cwt had 20".
The 20cwt isn't listed as using any 10ga steel, only 12 and 14. But - some of the 12ga has stiffening corrugations. Are you thinking of building a body for your chassis?
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 15-02-17, 02:05
Bob Carriere Bob Carriere is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Hammond, Ontario
Posts: 5,198
Default Nah.......

You're the trailer restorer......... you can have the frame and build a wooden 20cwt.

Would prefer finishing the roof and 2B1 cargo box first...... then will see how much steam I have left.

Looks like the snow Gods are angry again.

Cheers
__________________
Bob Carriere....B.T.B
C15a Cab 11
Hammond, Ontario
Canada
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 15-02-17, 11:30
Alex van de Wetering Alex van de Wetering is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Hoofddorp, The Netherlands
Posts: 2,673
Default

Bob,

The link mentioned in Hanno's post at the top of this thread points towards the old MLU domain, but if change the .org to .net, you will find some nice pictures of steel bodies GS trailers.
http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...p?t=1540&pp=30

It's surprising how many trailers you see in pictures of the Dutch Liberation....
you even see German trailers being used....and even the back half of 15cwt GS trucks made into trailers!

Alex
__________________
Chevrolet C8 cab 11 FFW
BSA Folding Bicycle
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 15-02-17, 13:12
Bob Carriere Bob Carriere is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Hammond, Ontario
Posts: 5,198
Default Thanks Alex.......

Entertaining walk down memory lane........

Where did all these years go???

Cheers
__________________
Bob Carriere....B.T.B
C15a Cab 11
Hammond, Ontario
Canada
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 27-02-17, 17:39
Wolfy Wolfy is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: UK
Posts: 17
Default

Heres one I posted on HMVF - 10cwt nearest 20cwt further down.

http://hmvf.co.uk/forumvb/attachment...1&d=1478186405
__________________
Willys Jeep 1942
Austin Tilly 1943
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 27-02-17, 20:06
Jordan Baker's Avatar
Jordan Baker Jordan Baker is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 4,004
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfy View Post
Heres one I posted on HMVF - 10cwt nearest 20cwt further down.

http://hmvf.co.uk/forumvb/attachment...1&d=1478186405

here is the picture. Saves having to log into HMVF

Click image for larger version

Name:	10cwt.jpg
Views:	15
Size:	100.1 KB
ID:	88865
__________________
Jordan Baker
RHLI Museum,
Otter LRC
C15A-Wire3, 1944
Willys MB, 1942
10cwt Canadian trailer
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 03-04-19, 12:24
Hanno Spoelstra's Avatar
Hanno Spoelstra Hanno Spoelstra is online now
MLU Administrator
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 14,419
Default wartime references

For your reference, here are the photos and data sheet of the "20-cwt GS Trailer Body Composite Construction" from the AEDB Design Record:

Click image for larger version

Name:	7-55b.jpg
Views:	18
Size:	190.8 KB
ID:	106397 Click image for larger version

Name:	7-55a.jpg
Views:	18
Size:	185.3 KB
ID:	106396

Click image for larger version

Name:	7-55.jpg
Views:	23
Size:	699.3 KB
ID:	106395
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 12-12-19, 20:34
Hanno Spoelstra's Avatar
Hanno Spoelstra Hanno Spoelstra is online now
MLU Administrator
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 14,419
Default

Added a page from Canadian Military Headquarters. Vehicle Data Book (Restricted). 1944.

Click image for larger version

Name:	5A8ECCDC-54F4-467C-851C-719CC7B78F21.jpeg
Views:	14
Size:	129.9 KB
ID:	110750
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 13:56.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © Maple Leaf Up, 2003-2016