Wartime pictures: 20-cwt trailers

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Split off from Canadian 20-cwt GS Trailer:

Originally posted by Hanno Spoelstra
Have you ever seen wartime pictures of these 20-cwt trailers, either Water Tank, GS, Welding, etc.?

Found one! A water trailer in front of a building in Tilburg hit by a V-1.


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[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally posted by Hanno Spoelstra
Have you ever seen wartime pictures of these 20-cwt trailers, ... Water Tank ... ?

Hummelo Holland Kids Cheer Brit Assault Thru Town Photo Item number: 6596542845

"An Original and Authentic 7 x 9 Inch World War Two WWII Hummelo Holland Netherlands Dutch Kids Cheer British Assault Through Town 4.11.45 Dated Official News PERIOD Captioned Photograph
This is a super-sharp photograph of what is identified as a truck of the British 2nd Army. Note the Netherlands flag flying in the foreground."

[Gunner]

Hi Hanno:

Interesting caption... looks like CL on the census number.

First time I've seen a photo of the star painted onto the tarpaulin like that.

Cheers! Mike

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Other than the picture in Gregg's book, this is the first wartime picture I have ever seen of a 20-cwt GS trailer. And it was taken in Holland! Berlagebrug, Amsterdam, 8 May 1945.

[Col Tigwell]

I see a better use for the hatch has been found.

Regards

Col

[Hanno Spoelstra]

20-cwt trailer on tow behind jeep, picture taken directly outside one of Pearson premises at Liverpool


Source: Bedford military-front and civvy-front types

[Alex van de Wetering]

I stumbled upon another period 20cwt water trailer picture on the city archives of 's Hertogenbosch website.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Alex van de Wetering

I stumbled upon another period 20cwt water trailer picture

Excellent, thanks!

Judging by the 16-inch wheels, this was a 15-cwt version.

H.

[Alex van de Wetering]

Excellent, thanks!

Judging by the 16-inch wheels, this was a 15-cwt version.

Well spotted, Hanno. Here is another one, again with 16inch wheels. August 1944, Normandy, Prinses Irene Brigade.


source: beeldbank.nationaalarchief.nl

Alex

[Eric B]

Hello
I have the oppertunity to make some T reflectors for the Cdn and British 1940's trailers. Is there an interest?

I am also looking for any data pertaining to the Canadian 10cwt trailers, both CMP and 1/4 ton.
Thanks
Eric

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Eric B

I have the oppertunity to make some T reflectors for the Cdn and British 1940's trailers. Is there an interest?

Eric,

Sure, let us know the details!

Hanno

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Alex van de Wetering

Well spotted, Hanno. Here is another one, again with 16inch wheels. August 1944, Normandy, Prinses Irene Brigade

Erm, actually, this is a British 15-cwt water trailer with 13 inch wheels. . .

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Post-war pic of three 20-cwt trailers in Holland, these were modified for use by a friend's father, Mr. Beijersbergen, for carting around building materials. GMC trucks were used to pull them.

[Alex van de Wetering]

It's hard to see if this one is 15 or 20 cwt, but here goes...


Alex

source: "Belgie 44, de Bevrijding", written by Peter Taghon

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Groningen city park, 1945.



Source: Groninger archieven, courtesy of Arjan van der Hoek.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Another picture of a 20-cwt trailer.

From the Belgian Brigade Piron website, captioned: "May 1945, Cpl Florent Dutrieux on the Rhine crossing".

Thanks to Guy over on HMVF for finding it.

H.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

20-cwt water trailer towed by a cab 11 or 12 60-cwt truck.

Who: Canadian army?

Where: the Netherlands?

[Alex van de Wetering]

20-cwt water trailer towed by a cab 11 or 12 60-cwt truck.

Interesting picture, Hanno. Judging from the angles of the engine cover, it's a cab12. The body looks like a British built wooden GS body to me.

Is that the Guards Armoured divison sign on the fender? If the AoS is the same as the Bedford QL behind it, than it could be "Armoured Brigade Motor Batallion", Guards Armoured Brigade.
Background does look very Dutch, by the way!

Alex

[Alex van de Wetering]

Here is a picture from the Groesbeek museum website. (I added a bit more contrast and sharpened it a little)

Alex

source: http://www.bevrijdingsmuseum.nl/

And a bigger copy: http://perssupport.nl/apssite/persbe...nlandoffensief

[Alex van de Wetering]

20cwt trailer in Groningen

source: http://beeldbankgroningen.nl/

[George McKenzie]

I have a axel with 1100x20 tires on it .It had springs on it. Bud wheels ,5 bolts .Could have been from a trailer like this??

[Bob Carriere]

But it seems all the GS have wooden boxes........ were any made with steel GS configuration in 20cwt.

We have the frame of a water tanker trailer with the old civilian 8:25 x20 rims.

Help my failing memory but was the steel GS trailer on 16 in. CMP rims only 15cwt capacity?

Cheers

[Grant Bowker]

There is a steel 20 cwt GS described in the AEDB design records. Like the wood bodies it has the stepped sides. The 15cwt had flat/vertical sides without the step.
Normally, the 15cwt had 16" wheels and the 20cwt had 20".
The 20cwt isn't listed as using any 10ga steel, only 12 and 14. But - some of the 12ga has stiffening corrugations. Are you thinking of building a body for your chassis?

[Bob Carriere]

You're the trailer restorer......... you can have the frame and build a wooden 20cwt.

Would prefer finishing the roof and 2B1 cargo box first...... then will see how much steam I have left.

Looks like the snow Gods are angry again.

Cheers

[Alex van de Wetering]

Bob,

The link mentioned in Hanno's post at the top of this thread points towards the old MLU domain, but if change the .org to .net, you will find some nice pictures of steel bodies GS trailers.
http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...p?t=1540&pp=30

It's surprising how many trailers you see in pictures of the Dutch Liberation....
you even see German trailers being used....and even the back half of 15cwt GS trucks made into trailers!

Alex

[Bob Carriere]

Entertaining walk down memory lane........

Where did all these years go???

Cheers

[Wolfy]

Heres one I posted on HMVF - 10cwt nearest 20cwt further down.

http://hmvf.co.uk/forumvb/attachment...1&d=1478186405

[Jordan Baker]

Originally Posted by Wolfy

Heres one I posted on HMVF - 10cwt nearest 20cwt further down.

http://hmvf.co.uk/forumvb/attachment...1&d=1478186405

here is the picture. Saves having to log into HMVF

[Hanno Spoelstra]

For your reference, here are the photos and data sheet of the "20-cwt GS Trailer Body Composite Construction" from the AEDB Design Record:

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Added a page from Canadian Military Headquarters. Vehicle Data Book (Restricted). 1944.