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Here are some pics of one of my carriers, I know I have a LOT of work ahead of me, Richard T, I will post some of the other carrier in a bit, I do not have it in my yard yet.
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A few more shots.
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Hi Gary, You have a start there. I just thought I'd let you know that your carrier was also once a WASP. You can tell by the roughly cut hole in the bulkhead down below the navigators seat. That was for the piping for the wasp flame thrower. Do you have any idea of the CT or the serial number? It might be very close to mine. You also have the original engine. It looks like you may only have the engine no. It is on the flat spot on the top left rear of the engine block.. Just above those oil pipes at the back of the engine. Between the cyl. head and the intake manifold.
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Model U.C. NO-2 MK II.* SERIAL 25680 HULL 24699. LOWER HULL 24742. ENGINE TL-26707-F. C.D. 2609. BUILT MAR. 25, 1944. CT 266677 Former WASP Last edited by Ledsel; 09-09-09 at 05:54. |
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Gary are you in the lower mainland I have a mk1 carrier in maple ridge
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Hi Gary,
Welcome to the forum, you are in the right place for any help that you may require, You choice of a carrier restoration is still the best way that I can think of to get rid of any surplus money that you may have,just kidding you will have a ball and the friends trhat you make here are forever, congatulations it will be interesting to watch your progress, Regards Ron
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Welcome Gary, and thanks for posting them up looks like you got yourself something that wee bit more special (mind all carriers are special...but you know what i mean)
what is it with teh rear bogey road wheels the rubber on them always seems to be gash. mine are exactly the same, yet the front idlers and main bogey's are all perfect, as is the little top idler
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Thanks for the encouragement, I am excited about getting these things up and running and going for a ride...Ledsel, I found the serial number in the spot you said, (Thnx) and it is TL24877F, hope that is right. I will be getting a second carrier on the 23rd of this month and will get pics and serial number for that one, is that the only place to get the serial? Jeff, I live in Northern BC along the famous Alaska Highway, I was in contact with some members of the MVPA while at the abbotsford airshow about doing a trip along the highway. Thank you all for any information, I have a friend a few hours away that has 5 carriers and figures that he can build 3 complete ones from the stock, unfortunatly he did not get any salvagable engines so he is on the hunt, he is a member of this forum but is not able to log in very ofton, I will try to get lots of picture of his projects as well as progress of my vehicles. I have 2 CMP's that I am working on as well and will be fixing the C-15 before I work on my carrier so it will be a bit before I have anything to show.
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That is only the engine serial no.. The only place that the vehicle serial no. is, is on the upper armour. The carrier in your foto does not have any place left that would have any kind of numbers. But from the engine number you could be fairly certain that it was a 1944 model MK.2 probably built early in March. If at all possible I would try and rebuild that engine. Even if the cylinders are in bad condition it can be sleeved.
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not that it helps much but the lower hull number on mine is located on the rear gunners side fender (on the angle bar itself) just so you know its there is why i have mentioned it really
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Further to Richard and Ledsel's comments. I thought I'd post some pictures of the numbers locations I found on my hull. My upper hull # TI or is it TL 79140 but then the armour was cut here. Can the experts comment. The lower hull number is as Richard states. on the lop left rear rolled edge,and so faint it's barely visible I can make out an F and 44. Would this be FMC 44 or 1944. Ron
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Thanks Ledsel for your comments. Referring now to the notes I made when I restored it in 98/99, I have the following to add. The lower hull # repeated for and aft is 24130. The T# along the edge of the front armour, I think is from another vehicle, as it was acquired to replace the cut front armour. The number at the left rear corner which I was able to read before painting, is F.M.co 44. It seems to be a date stamp? What you think?
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Yes Ron, All the parts are dated when they were manufactured. There is probably a part no., there too but it is sometimes hard to see. On Gary's carrier though the angle iron piece at the rear is also missing so he has no numbers but the engine no..
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Hello Gary, looks like a good project. Don't be put off by the missing bits as over time you will find, acquire or remanufacture a lot as you go.
Best of luck with your project. Cheers Phill
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Definitely a mk2....the area over the rear diff does not have the two large square openings.
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also as already mentioned on all the major components is the part number and also a date which will give you an indication of its age. the gear lever housing would possibly be a good one to go from as it is unlikely to have been repaired or changed. Mind this is not a concrete method of dating as i am sure they would have used up old stock on later carriers, but it may give you an idea.
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Gary, great you have saved another two and good luck with them, it is worth it. Nigel
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Thanks for the very helpful info, unfortunatly this carrier has been attacked very viciously with a cutting torch and any number other than the serial on the engine has long been cut away by a farmer trying to keep dry, (fenders were cut off and steel added to make them higher), I am getting my second carrier in a week and a day, it has a lot more to it, ie: the tracks are on it, I believe the steering wheel is attached and several other items are there, I was told that the armour seems to be the only thing missing, will post pics as soon as I can
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Are you saying that the Cdn factory installed mk1 armor and stowage onto mk2 lower hulls? I have seen a mk1 carrier that overlapped mk2 production, and other than the large "FORD" plate behind the driver's head, the rest of the hulll was typical mk1. |
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I have no hard evidence/documentation that says anything about the hole you talk about beneath the co-dvrs feet being only on MkII hulls. I presume you refer to the commanders/gunners position? So I can't answer your next question. My intention was not to bring anyone to task, but merely to rein back folks obvious enthusiasm, just a wee bit, for fixing a mark on a carrier, just trying to share my knowledge that's all. If I can give you one example of a similar sort of thing. When I entered the world of carriers people were identifying Canadian made carriers by their distinctively shaped headlamps. Subsequently the British made Carriers were therefore identified by the conventional cone shaped lamps. Seemed a reasonable method. However I discovered documentation that showed Canada ordered the cone shaped lamps to put onto carriers they were building! So that particular method of identification was no longer accurate. In the big picture does it matter? As long as we share our knowledge then we all are more accurate and better informed. For my part I am just pleased you all are as interested in these wee machines as I am and I hope the information in my books has helped with that. You all are still coming up with details, parts, pictures that are new and unanswered which is great. So that's where I am coming from. Desperate to learn as much as I can about these vehicles which is what is so good about this forum, the way information is given. The one difficult area I have come across and hope my books would help sort are the carriers I have come across in museums which are labelled incorrectly. I suppose time will fix this as those in charge become better informed! No names so don't ask!!!! Nigel "The noise of the tracks slapping against the underside of the mudguard, the smell of the engine fumes burning your nostrils, the clouds of dust making your eyes stream, and the fear. What could be nicer as your carrier speeds over the ground?"..................."Everything!"
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I agree that sharing information from a variety of sources without flaming people has seen the amount of collective information rapidly multiply in the last few years. It is always hard to provide a definitaive, concrete finding on some subject as someone will likely find proof of the exception to any rule at some later date. So the knowledge base keeps evolving and being refined.
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I'm straying a bit off topic, but the hole I referred to is on Mk1 carriers, and yes, just below the gunner. As I don't see this rectangular hole (I think it's about 4" X 4"). I would use that to support the likelihood that this is a mk2 hull. Re the cutoff for the early Lucas headlamps, the parts manual gives a cut off of approx serial 2083 and 2084 for the changeover to the Cdn lamps. |
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If I recall correctly, from Nigels book, a number of carriers were built by Ford of Canada,for the U.K., using components, made in the U.K. My guess though, is that your pics are of Canadian carriers for Canada, because of the horn (and the pic of no.1000)
You are right of course about the info flow, as the net gains momentum. Great! ..aint it!!!.
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here you go, canadian carriers rolling out of the ford plant 1941 fitted with british style lamps no less one near the end has an extra perspex type screen fitted...possibly trialing it for use maybe ? either way all the carriers appear to be Mk1
http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=12585
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WOW!!! I din't mean to spark such a debate about my carrier, it is good to see everyone posting their info as all is welcome to this newb carrier owner. I am getting excited about getting me second one as I was just told that it has a working engine in it, pretty much the only thing thing missing, (only, ha!) is the armour, which a friend is going to give me his mk2 armour. II am so stoked!!!!
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Gary, is the guy your buying from called Chris by chance ?
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I did reply to richard in a private post, however on to god news for me, I got my carrier last night, (what a major pain in the buttox, I would have taken photo's but it was too dark), here are the pics I took today
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You've got yourself another MKII no.2 . Also a former Wasp. You should still have the lower hull no. it's on that angle iron across the rear of the tub part of the hull on the left side right over the track when your facing the rear of the carrier. That will be the only no. that you will have. Good finds. Does the engine in this one run?
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