MLU FORUM  

Go Back   MLU FORUM > MILITARY VEHICLES > The Armour Forum

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #61  
Old 16-01-17, 10:57
colin jones's Avatar
colin jones colin jones is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Adelaide
Posts: 1,669
Default

Time for the other side which created a problem as it is made from 14mm thick steel and it is not available, only 12mm & 16mm which I had both of. my only option was to cut the pieces to the correct size and them mill them down to 14mm. That was no fast process
Attached Thumbnails
IMG_5444.JPG   IMG_5445.JPG   IMG_5446.JPG   IMG_5447.JPG   IMG_5448.JPG  

Reply With Quote
  #62  
Old 16-01-17, 11:00
colin jones's Avatar
colin jones colin jones is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Adelaide
Posts: 1,669
Default

Just some more of the same process.
Attached Thumbnails
IMG_5449.JPG   IMG_5450.JPG   IMG_5451.JPG   IMG_5452.JPG   IMG_5453.JPG  

Reply With Quote
  #63  
Old 16-01-17, 11:02
colin jones's Avatar
colin jones colin jones is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Adelaide
Posts: 1,669
Default

That's all of the upper plates cut and test fitted.
Attached Thumbnails
IMG_5454.JPG   IMG_5455.JPG   IMG_5456.JPG   IMG_5458.JPG   IMG_5459.JPG  

Reply With Quote
  #64  
Old 16-01-17, 11:07
colin jones's Avatar
colin jones colin jones is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Adelaide
Posts: 1,669
Default

And a shot of the inside. Interesting point is when I was cutting the original armour, I thought it would spring open but it actually closed on itself so I had to keep a wedge in it so my grinding blade didn't grab and shatter. Every now and then I just hear a bang when I came across an existing crack.
Attached Thumbnails
IMG_5460.JPG  
Reply With Quote
  #65  
Old 16-01-17, 11:27
Howard's Avatar
Howard Howard is offline
"Sid and Errol's Dad"
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Ganmain, Australia
Posts: 1,418
Smile progress



__________________
Howard Holgate
F15 #12
F15A #13 (stretched)
F60S #13
C15A #13 Wireless (incomplete)
Reply With Quote
  #66  
Old 16-01-17, 12:43
jack neville jack neville is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: leopold, victoria
Posts: 864
Cool

Amazing work Colin. Have you worked out what the 69 means?.....
__________________
1943 Willys MB
Willys Trailer
1941 Fordson WOT 2H
1941 Fordson WOT 2H (Unrestored)
194? Fordson WOT 2D (Unrestored)
1939 Ford 1 ton utility (Undergoing restoration)
1940 Ford 1 ton utility (Unrestored)
1941 Ford 1 ton utility (Unrestored)
BSA folding bicycle
BSA folding bicycle
1941 Ford/Marmon Herrington 3A gun tractor
1941 Ford/Marmon Herrington 3 gun tractor (Unrestored)
1941 Diamond T 969 (Unrestored)
Wiles Junior Cooker x 2
Reply With Quote
  #67  
Old 16-01-17, 21:31
colin jones's Avatar
colin jones colin jones is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Adelaide
Posts: 1,669
Default

Thanks jack, I did years ago.
Reply With Quote
  #68  
Old 17-01-17, 03:37
Bob Carriere Bob Carriere is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Hammond, Ontario
Posts: 4,558
Default What is your next project????

Restoring the Titanic.....!!!!!


I do hope you took some time off for yourself last weekend.

Cheers
__________________
Bob Carriere....B.T.B
C15a Cab 11
Hammond, Ontario
Canada
Reply With Quote
  #69  
Old 17-01-17, 07:18
Dave Mills Dave Mills is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Seymour,Victoria, Australia
Posts: 187
Default

Amazing work, machining down plate to match the original, true dedication.

Keep up the great work.

Also, to you Jack, you are a master at the metal work.

Cheers,

Dave
__________________
1 x 1955 Austin Champ WN1(restored)
2 x 1956 Austin Champ WN1(restored)
1 x 1955 Humber 4 x 4 GS (restored)
1 x 1945 FMC 1/4 Ton Trailer (restored)
1 x 1942 Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer (restored)
Reply With Quote
  #70  
Old 17-01-17, 10:29
Lynn Eades's Avatar
Lynn Eades Lynn Eades is offline
Bluebell
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Tauranga, New Zealand
Posts: 4,790
Default

Colin, back to Jack's question. If the number had been 68 or 70, would you have answered differently? ..... Or to approach from another angle, is it because that part was made to specifically fit that hull? Does that number crop up anywhere else on that hull?
It wouldn't be too inconceivable for the British to do things that way???
Anyhow, nice work Colin. Nice to see them getting the surgery.
__________________
Bluebell

Carrier Armoured O.P. No1 Mk3 W. T84991
Carrier Bren No2.Mk.II. NewZealand Railways. NZR.6.
Dodge WC55. 37mm Gun Motor Carriage M6
Jeep Mb #135668
So many questions....
Reply With Quote
  #71  
Old 18-01-17, 01:54
colin jones's Avatar
colin jones colin jones is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Adelaide
Posts: 1,669
Default

Thankyou one and all! Lynn, of course I would still answer the same! It's all about maths you know !
I sand blasted the opposite one and it has the same number but a different shape part as you can see. So interestingly I would assume they were probably numbered for that particular tank. It's a shame they are missing off the other one as that would have been a great comparison.
Attached Thumbnails
IMG_5466.JPG   IMG_5467.JPG  
Reply With Quote
  #72  
Old 18-01-17, 07:25
colin jones's Avatar
colin jones colin jones is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Adelaide
Posts: 1,669
Default

I welded the graft plates and had some trouble getting them to line up perfectly as you just can't blend the join if the alignment is out. I thought I would just show how I got some serious leverage easily as the plates are over 1/2" thick. I also concentrated on the mud guard as well.
Attached Thumbnails
IMG_5461.JPG   IMG_5462.JPG   IMG_5463.JPG   IMG_5464.JPG   IMG_5465.JPG  

Reply With Quote
  #73  
Old 18-01-17, 07:27
colin jones's Avatar
colin jones colin jones is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Adelaide
Posts: 1,669
Default

There were some support brackets to make which I had to go and get the right size 40mm x 8mm. I did a couple of bends in the hand bender and then made a jig.
Attached Thumbnails
IMG_5468.JPG   IMG_5469.JPG   IMG_5470.JPG   IMG_5471.JPG   IMG_5472.JPG  

Reply With Quote
  #74  
Old 18-01-17, 07:31
colin jones's Avatar
colin jones colin jones is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Adelaide
Posts: 1,669
Default

After I made the jig it was just a repetition to get them all the same. I used heat to get the last couple of bends, cut the excess by hand, welded the joint and ground them off inside and out. Test fit all OK.
Attached Thumbnails
IMG_5473.JPG   IMG_5474.JPG   IMG_5475.JPG   IMG_5476.JPG   IMG_5477.JPG  

Reply With Quote
  #75  
Old 18-01-17, 08:18
jack neville jack neville is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: leopold, victoria
Posts: 864
Default

Looking good Colin. I'm glad I got a look at them before you started. Helps to appreciate the effort you are putting into them. It's amazing just how much squaring up the box makes to the overall appearance.
__________________
1943 Willys MB
Willys Trailer
1941 Fordson WOT 2H
1941 Fordson WOT 2H (Unrestored)
194? Fordson WOT 2D (Unrestored)
1939 Ford 1 ton utility (Undergoing restoration)
1940 Ford 1 ton utility (Unrestored)
1941 Ford 1 ton utility (Unrestored)
BSA folding bicycle
BSA folding bicycle
1941 Ford/Marmon Herrington 3A gun tractor
1941 Ford/Marmon Herrington 3 gun tractor (Unrestored)
1941 Diamond T 969 (Unrestored)
Wiles Junior Cooker x 2
Reply With Quote
  #76  
Old 20-01-17, 08:21
colin jones's Avatar
colin jones colin jones is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Adelaide
Posts: 1,669
Default

Thanks Jack, there is a lot of work to do any of these as you certainly know.
I made some brackets that go on the mud guard. Not a important job but I just thought I might as well finish the guards totally.
Attached Thumbnails
IMG_5479.JPG   IMG_5480.JPG   IMG_5481.JPG   IMG_5482.JPG  
Reply With Quote
  #77  
Old 20-01-17, 08:24
colin jones's Avatar
colin jones colin jones is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Adelaide
Posts: 1,669
Default

The bracket are for shovel, crow bar, towing chain/Rope. Again time consuming things to do but how lucky am I to have them to copy.
Attached Thumbnails
IMG_5483.JPG   IMG_5484.JPG   IMG_5485.JPG   IMG_5486.JPG   IMG_5487.JPG  

Reply With Quote
  #78  
Old 20-01-17, 08:27
colin jones's Avatar
colin jones colin jones is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Adelaide
Posts: 1,669
Default

I also cleaned up the other drivers hatch from the other tank so I can copy it for this one. I still have a couple of spring clamps to make but they are quite minor.
Attached Thumbnails
IMG_5488.JPG   IMG_5489.JPG   IMG_5490.JPG   IMG_5491.JPG   IMG_5492.JPG  

Reply With Quote
  #79  
Old 25-01-17, 05:30
lynx42 lynx42 is online now
Rick Cove
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Paynesville, AUSTRALIA
Posts: 1,787
Default

Have you seen this one, Colin?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBZD...kpjd8&index=25

You are doing your usual excellent job there. Well done!!

Regards Rick.
__________________
1916 Albion A10
1942 White Scoutcar
1940 Chev Staff Car
1940 F30S Cab11
1940 Chev WA LRDG "Te Hai"
1941 F60L Cab12
1943 Ford Lynx
1942 Bren Gun Carrier VR no.2250
Humber FV1601A
Saracen Mk1(?)
25pdr. 1940 Weir No.266
25pdr. Australian Short No.185 (?)
KVE Member.
Reply With Quote
  #80  
Old 25-01-17, 10:56
Robin Craig's Avatar
Robin Craig Robin Craig is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Near Kingston, ON, Canada
Posts: 1,867
Default

This thread is a delight to read and follow.

Really grand work you are doing.
__________________
Robin Craig

Home of the Maple Leaf Adapter
2 Canadian Mk1 Ferrets
M4 Treadway bridge training sets
Kawasaki KLR250 CFR 95-10908 ex PPCLI
Canadair CL70 CFR 58-91588
Bombardier Skandic WT 97-26076 LOSV
Land Rover S3 Commanders Caravan Carawagon 16 GN 07
Reply With Quote
  #81  
Old 21-02-17, 06:01
colin jones's Avatar
colin jones colin jones is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Adelaide
Posts: 1,669
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Farrant View Post
Hi Colin,
I see you are making a start on Wombat, you can just see the original UK registration number on front glasis plate, BMM978. It should have engine number S9469. Hope you will retain the Meadows engine in the restoration.

regards, Richard
Hi Richard, I'm curious here. On Wombat I have the front glasis plate with the number 978 but the engine number S9466 which from what I can find is Kangaroo. Would this be a mistake in the paperwork information as I could not imagine the army would swap engines.
Reply With Quote
  #82  
Old 21-02-17, 09:52
Richard Farrant's Avatar
Richard Farrant Richard Farrant is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Kent, England
Posts: 3,405
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by colin jones View Post
Hi Richard, I'm curious here. On Wombat I have the front glasis plate with the number 978 but the engine number S9466 which from what I can find is Kangaroo. Would this be a mistake in the paperwork information as I could not imagine the army would swap engines.
Hi Colin,
That information came from AWM vehicle number records. It could be that a glasis plate has been switched at some point. The 978 number was a British civil registration number and not used once it arrived in Australian service. An engine could have been switched, if they were struggling to keep the vehicles operational. There were 5 based in Victoria and 5 in NSW

regards, Richard
__________________
Richard

1943 Bedford QLD lorry - 1941 BSA WM20 m/cycle - 1943 Daimler Scout Car Mk2
MVT, IMPS member, AMVCS hon. member and Newsletter Editor
KVE President & KVE News Editor
Reply With Quote
  #83  
Old 21-02-17, 18:24
Mike Cecil Mike Cecil is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Colbert, Washington, USA
Posts: 1,713
Default

And all concentrated at the AFV School when it opened at Pucka in 1941.

With the degree of usage, I would not doubt that the engines were removed when worn, rebuilt, and re-issued, same as any other AFV, so it is quite possible to have the engine in this vehicle being one that is recorded as having arrived in Australia in another vehicle. With such a small purchase, I doubt there were too many spare engines purchased, if any.

The Centurion situation is a case in point: engines in tanks that arrived in Aust in 1951/52 pop up in other tanks over the years, having been removed, refurbished, and re-issued, some several times. While a much larger pool, and over a much longer period of time, it still illustrates the point. Hence, engine numbers are not the ideal way to make a positive identification: hull numbers and glacis plate markings are more reliable, as a change over of the front glacis plate is far less likely.

Mike

Last edited by Mike Cecil; 21-02-17 at 18:29.
Reply With Quote
  #84  
Old 26-02-17, 20:25
BradB BradB is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Waverley, overlooking the lake...
Posts: 15
Default

Ref the number 69 that's been punched into the parts.

Have a look at the "Matilda Diaries, Part 7" at the 2:00-2:01 mark. You'll see that the same style of punches to ID parts seems to still be in use today.

Fascinating!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77RfsFYaj4k
Reply With Quote
  #85  
Old 26-02-17, 22:34
Alex van de Wetering Alex van de Wetering is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Hoofddorp, The Netherlands
Posts: 2,090
Default

Quote:
Have a look at the "Matilda Diaries
Brad, thanks for posting that link....great to follow the restoration of the Matilda!

The lettering on the steel beams you see in the video is a modern day equivalant of the punched numbers and is either done by laser printing, or by inkjet printing like in this case. It's not so much intended to mark certain parts, but more aimed to easily identify the type and measurement of the profiles, as well as the makers name. You also see bar codes these days containing info on material properties etc.

Alex
__________________
Chevrolet C8 cab 11 FFW
BSA Folding Bicycle
Reply With Quote
  #86  
Old 26-02-17, 23:20
Richard Farrant's Avatar
Richard Farrant Richard Farrant is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Kent, England
Posts: 3,405
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex van de Wetering View Post
Brad, thanks for posting that link....great to follow the restoration of the Matilda!

The lettering on the steel beams you see in the video is a modern day equivalant of the punched numbers and is either done by laser printing, or by inkjet printing like in this case. It's not so much intended to mark certain parts, but more aimed to easily identify the type and measurement of the profiles, as well as the makers name. You also see bar codes these days containing info on material properties etc.

Alex
The modern word is 'traceability' so that any issues, the batch can be identified. With structural steel work now, this is required.
__________________
Richard

1943 Bedford QLD lorry - 1941 BSA WM20 m/cycle - 1943 Daimler Scout Car Mk2
MVT, IMPS member, AMVCS hon. member and Newsletter Editor
KVE President & KVE News Editor
Reply With Quote
  #87  
Old 23-03-17, 06:05
colin jones's Avatar
colin jones colin jones is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Adelaide
Posts: 1,669
Default

Hello all, I haven't posted for a while as I've ben away and quite busy, I have spent some time on the trans and I was at first quite concerned wether I could save it or not as all the bottom of the box is simply gone.
I am however, very fortunate that the oxidization has been localized to the bottom only. My first impression was that it was not salvageable but I am more confident that I can either repair the original box or I will attempt to fabricate a new one from steel. The gears are not damaged at all and even the bearings age in remarkable condition. It will be a slowish process but I feel very confident that I can make one. I would use the original top as it is still good.
Attached Images
     
Reply With Quote
  #88  
Old 23-03-17, 06:12
colin jones's Avatar
colin jones colin jones is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Adelaide
Posts: 1,669
Default

I got quite exited today as I have been tapping, spraying, tapping, spraying this part for about a month now and I must admit I never thought it would move but today it did. It was so solid with years of gunk and rust but consistency has paid off as I only have one of these and I need two. I am a very happy vegemite. The engine will be someone else's challenge.
Attached Images
     
Reply With Quote
  #89  
Old 23-03-17, 13:37
maple_leaf_eh maple_leaf_eh is offline
Terry Warner
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: On the river flats in a poor part of town
Posts: 2,410
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BradB View Post
Ref the number 69 that's been punched into the parts.

Have a look at the "Matilda Diaries, Part 7" at the 2:00-2:01 mark. You'll see that the same style of punches to ID parts seems to still be in use today.

Fascinating!
Sometimes good ideas last for a long time. Case in point, the serial number for Cadillac Gage 4x4 armoured cars is stamped on the outside face of the front left lifting eye. That was where the books told me to go look when the Cold War Collection's 1969-build V100 arrived. In spring 2016 I looked in the same place on the Canadian Army's freshly delivered TAPV. The serial number is there too.
__________________
Terry Warner

74-????? M151A2 plated and on the road
70-08876 M38A1 ready for the road
53-71233 M100CDN trailer manufactured by MCI ready for the road

Wow! All three green beasties run!

Last edited by maple_leaf_eh; 23-03-17 at 13:46.
Reply With Quote
  #90  
Old 23-03-17, 13:46
maple_leaf_eh maple_leaf_eh is offline
Terry Warner
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: On the river flats in a poor part of town
Posts: 2,410
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by colin jones View Post
I welded the graft plates and had some trouble getting them to line up perfectly as you just can't blend the join if the alignment is out. I thought I would just show how I got some serious leverage easily as the plates are over 1/2" thick. I also concentrated on the mud guard as well.
Let's not lose sight of the craft style of construction for many of these old vehicles. The designer issued drawings, but at some industries those were taken only as a suggestion. Standardized parts, thoroughly managed workflows and strict adherence to plans was a lesson re-learned in WW2. Why were American tanks so widely used - because they were easily repaired and salvaged.

When the Canadian War Museum's M1917 Light Tank was being rebuilt, the workers at the industry benefactor's shop were frustrated trying to get it left/right symmetrical. Don Dingwall (?) had to tell the fabricators not to be so precise, and remember the working conditions where it was constructed originally. Once they parked their CADCAM viewers, laser cutters, CNC machining, and micrometers, the project picked up pace.
__________________
Terry Warner

74-????? M151A2 plated and on the road
70-08876 M38A1 ready for the road
53-71233 M100CDN trailer manufactured by MCI ready for the road

Wow! All three green beasties run!
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
FAT cab 13 No 9 resto Mrs Vampire The Softskin Forum 26 11-02-16 21:26
C15A resto harrygrey382 The Restoration Forum 9 08-06-15 09:40
another CAN m37 resto Steve Wilson The Restoration Forum 11 25-08-12 15:57
m 37 resto in new brunswick pauljboudreau Post-war Military Vehicles 118 07-03-11 22:29
Door Resto Barry Churcher The Restoration Forum 11 23-05-08 16:41


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 03:12.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © Maple Leaf Up, 2003-2016