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Old 27-12-15, 23:11
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Default Indian Pattern bodies

Over the years, we have seen quite a few CMPs trucks with “Indian Pattern” bodies. These are not official designations, but a name given to all MCP and CMP truck with bodies which were built in India.

The Indian Army was a large user of MCP and CMP vehicles – see Revised 1942 S/M Contracts Listing – and assembled both complete vehicles knocked down for shipping, but also chassis/cowls with locally made cabs and /or bodies.

My interest is in gathering information about the Indian Pattern bodies for modelling and restoration purposes. These bodies were of composite construction, consisting mainly of wood with angle iron reinforcements, similar to military truck bodies as manufactured in Great Britain at the day.

For now I’m focusing on the CMP range of vehicles with these wooden bodies.

15-cwt: both 4x2 and 4x4 – see Indian Pattern 15-cwt GS truck

FAT: Chevrolet CGT and Ford FGT – see Indian Pattern FAT
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Old 27-12-15, 23:24
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3-ton GS truck: today, I found some new pictures on the IWM website of 3-ton GS trucks with bodies of the same construction:


Source: http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205208610
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"Under close supervision, Japanese prisoners of war load a lorry with crates of munitions from the former Japanese ammunition store in limestone caves at Batu, Selangor State, near Kuala Lumpur. These bombs and shells were later dumped at sea in the Straits of Malacca."


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"Japanese prisoners of war sit in the shade of lorries they have just loaded with some of the 100 tons of supplies flown daily into the city of Bandoeng by Dakota aircraft of 31 Squadron, Royal Air Force. Due to ambushes and sabotage by Indonesian nationalists on the roads between Batavia and Bandoeng, the only secure supply route to the latter city was by air."


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"Transport of the 2nd Battalion, Frontier Force Rifles (26th Indian Division) that carried men and material to establish a strongpoint just outside the British held sector of the town of Medan in Sumatra."


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"Troops of the 2nd Battalion, Frontier Force Rifles (26th Indian Division) unload material from their vehicles to construct strongpoints just outside the British held sector of the town of Medan in Sumatra."


Always interested to learn more about the construction and use of these truck bodies!

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Old 13-03-16, 22:32
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3-ton GS truck:
Here's one more photo of a 3-tonner:

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I am not sure if this is any use to you Hanno, they are from beeldbank: 459846 and 463135.

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Old 14-03-16, 23:01
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Some more 3-tonners, linked from CMPs in Asian campaigns:

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Also in Burma this 3 ton CMP with soft top and high sided wooden body
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A 3 tonner with local body note the short overhang at the rear could this have been designed as a gun tractor, and are those truck side panels on the upper slope of the makeshift bridge
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Old 24-12-19, 21:08
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15-cwt: both 4x2 and 4x4 – see Indian Pattern 15-cwt GS truck
I am re-posting these pictures here as the thread linked above is now missing.

From what I can see these Indian Pattern 15-cwt bodies had the same dimensions as the No1 Australian body, and were very similar in construction.

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Another Indian Pattern 15-cwt truck lurking in the background.

"Marmon-Herrington armoured cars in the streets of Aleppo, 22 July 1941."

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Old 29-03-20, 22:04
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Here's an interesting variation. 1938 model Ford truck with Indian made body, this has a higher sides than other Indian bodies.

As with many vehicles in the North African desert, these were captured by the German Army.

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Hi Hanno, If it is any use to anybody the carrier in post #2 is an Armoured O.P.MkIIIw that would likely have rolled out from the Dagenham Ford plant in Jan 1942.
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For now I’m focusing on the CMP range of vehicles with these wooden bodies.

15-cwt: both 4x2 and 4x4 – see Indian Pattern 15-cwt GS truck
The original (now missing) thread included a link to this July 2006 article in Hemmings Classic Car: https://www.hemmings.com/blog/articl...-ball-express/

It makes for interesting reading, although GM Canada's effort is grossly neglected. One remark is all they get:
"General Motors of Canada’s Chevrolet Division was extensively involved in the war effort as well, building a forward-control utility vehicle on a 101-inch wheelbase–with a bowtie on the radiator cover, no less–that was widely used by British, Canadian and Australian forces throughout the war."
But the article contains some previously unseen pictures. I wonder what else is lurking in the archives....


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"GM of Canada’s Chevrolet engineers designed AWD trucks for Brits and Aussies"


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"For jungle use, Chevrolet produced 44 ambulances with high-floatation tires"


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Except that the "AWD Trucks" and the "4x4 Ambulances" shown are both 4x2 vehicles.
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Except that the "AWD Trucks" and the "4x4 Ambulances" shown are both 4x2 vehicles.
Yeah... and they weren't made "for jungle use" either.
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3-ton GS truck: today, I found some new pictures on the IWM website of 3-ton GS trucks with bodies of the same construction:
Quite a few of these found their way into Dutch service in the East Indies so it seems!

source: https://nimh-beeldbank.defensie.nl
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