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41 ford 3 ton 4x4
hello all. my name is leo and i'm from Connecticut in the USA i'm a new member to this form. have been following it for some time and has been a great source of info. i have a 1941 ford 3 ton duel wheel, long wheel base truck (158") that i'm in the process of restoring and converting to a marmon herington four wheel drive. the original idea was to represent a captured (US) truck in use by the ww2 german army. my original inspiration came from the book 'ford at war' by reinhard frank pg 19 captured ford in russia. i noticed several recent posts that are about captured fords so now is as good of a time as any. i have spent many hours researching captured fords and marmon conversions and while it maybe tough to say for sure weather this truck existed i do know that it could have been ordered from ford the way i'm building it. i'm going to try to post some pictures of my resto. the first couple are from when it was on the road (about 8 years ago) and will post my in progress picts next. i know this for a different forum but i also have a UC mark 2 that i'm also working on and will post that where it belongs. i'm very happy to finally get to be on this forum.
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Hi!
Respect to your restoration efforts and good luck in continuation and new projects! As for prototype, frankly speaking, I can't imagine how 1941 trucks could appear in Axis service in visible numbers, especially with Marmon-Herrington conversion. Most similar versions per my understanding are: 1. Dutch 1940 Fords with following changes - it should be 1940 Front-ornament on the hood instead of 1941 - headlight stands from 1938/39 models (without lamp) - additional wing lights similar to harley Knucklehead (optional) - Nederlandsche-Ford emblem (optional) Also i'd note that - typical German gaparite pins are very rare on such trucks, however notek light was addded sometimes. - Left mirror is untypical (acualy i never seen that) 2. US 1940 trucks shipped to Finland in large quantities - it should be 1940 Front-ornament on the hood instead of 1941 - Typically, cargo bed has low sides and another canvas - Again, there are no left mirror. - No gabarite pins Also, such type of canister mounting is typical to German-originated Fords only. Last edited by Ivan Podgornov; 09-09-15 at 15:39. Reason: hood |
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Welcome to the Forum.
I understand you already have the OD green sickness havcing been victim of a UC.
Interesting project you have in mind. Be guided by comments from others but always remember IT IS YOUR TRUCK and you van do what you want with it....... be it a museum piece or a fun machine that looks the part. Pictures of what you are playing with would be nice as some of us can't read toooo good. Are you considering transplanting and original Marmon-Herrington power train conversion under your Ford or just converting with readily available 4x4 parts which could be modern system or a circa 1940 from a CMP donor truck? In any events good luck, do not be afraid to ask questions and do not forget to let us see plenty of Photos. Cheers
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thanks for the repiles. i figure the germans had captured at least 1 of everything at some point. i know i have seen a picture of what looked like a 1941 ford used by british forces in italy captioned "HQ truck in the mud near Rimini". as far as the 4 wheel set up it will be all original i have secured 2 marmon equiped trucks. one was a '41' with a single speed transfer case. and a '46' with a 2 speed and a compensating gear for the front axle. both were shortwheel base trucks 1.5 ton. i'm using the front axle from the '41' and the transfer case from the '46'. it's just a better case. my goal is to make it as close to 100% to 1941 ford as i can. i've already rebuilt the motor and gone thru the running gear, brakes, lines, etc. had to cut the chassie for the front drive shaft. mounted the crossmembers for the transfer case. i'm at the point that the rolling chassie is now a running and driving chassie. up next lot of pannel repair. i have loads of pictures.
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Wow!!!!!!
You are well underway.......love the pictures.
Somewhat familiar with the 4x4 Ford system used on Canadian Mil. Pat. but can understand how the tranny/engine is held in the frame at the back of the engine. The front of the engine is mounted on the familiar two engine pads....but what holds up the rear.....? You were very fortunate to find M-H power train to do your conversion. Have you ever attended the Weare rally and/or when will we see your truck in the flesh? You have a very unique vehicle. Don't be stingy with the pictures. Bob C
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ivan are the gaparite pins the width markers on the front bumper? as far as the mirror goes i have noticed that most trucks do only have one mirror but where i live people drive like a-holes and found it unavoidable. it also helps when i tow my PAK 38. but that's another thread. but maybe i can make it removable for shows.
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The basic Ford transmission case is adaptable to many of the Ford models by changing that rear adapter, or in the case of the carrier, you have to add an extra hole in the case to accept the carrier (round) adapter. |
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Regards, Hanno -------------------------- Last edited by Hanno Spoelstra; 12-09-17 at 22:24. Reason: updated webpage link |
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Mh
Most of the MH Fords where this model, a few where RH drive with roof hatch's, also there where earlier models with fender mounted head lights but they seemed to be 2 ton models and mostly aircraft refueling trucks.
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1941 C15A 12 Cab 1943 Dodge WC 51 1953 M38A1 1943 Willys MBT 1/4 Ton Trailer sn 25515 Del 4-43 previous 1942 UC MK1 1944 HUP MACH ZL 2 1945 DODGE WP/APT 26-7-45 1942 F15A 1952 M38 CDN101711 1952 M38 CDN101360 |
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