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Old 22-02-03, 16:41
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Default WW2 British 15 cwt body drawings

Hello

I have started the long process of drawing up the 15 cwt GS body as fitted to many British vehicles 1939-45 .

The web page is at :

http://www.geocities.com/vk3cz/GSBody.html

Mike

The look on your various faces will be after viewing the drawings , I failed tech drawing at high school and I still need some lessons
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Old 22-02-03, 17:02
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The look on your various faces will be after viewing the drawings , I failed tech drawing at high school and I still need some lessons
Mike, not bad for a "failure"!

BTW, what program are you using to do this stuff?
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Old 22-02-03, 17:09
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Hi Geoff ,

I use the "Paint" programe that comes with any Windows 95 onwards .

It's a basic draw and paint program for dodos like me ! .

The new ML forum format is great ! Well done

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Old 23-02-03, 00:09
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I have started the long process of drawing up the 15 cwt GS body as fitted to many British vehicles 1939-45 .
Mike, thank you very much for sharing these drawings with us! They are of great help to understand the construction of these bodies. Now, if Rod Diery also does drawings of his No 1 GS Body, I'll have enough information to be challenged into reconstructing a body for the Indian pattern FAT.

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Old 23-02-03, 00:32
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Hi Mike,
Your drawings are great. What they lack in technical protocol is well and truly made up with artistic flair and detail.
I would have given my right arm to have had these twelve years ago when I started rebuilding my C15A.
At the risk of sounding uninformed, has any thought been given by anyone to creating a repository of drawings. One of my labours has been the listing of all parts in an access database. Two vehicles have been completed and the intention was to cross link the drawings and pictures I have to this database.

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Old 23-02-03, 10:20
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This contract would be for a Morris-Commercial CS.8 "Truck 15 cwt 4 x 2 G/S" census number Z4546694 to Z 4547535 if anyone is interested. What an excellent drawing! Would the same have been used on the very earliest Chevrolet and Ford DND-pattern trucks?
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Old 23-02-03, 14:56
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Would the same have been used on the very earliest Chevrolet and Ford DND-pattern trucks?
Those were fitted with the Type 2A1 body, "very similar to the contemporary British design". See Colin's site http://bcoy1cpb.pacdat.net/cmp_canad...ry_pattern.htm for a picture with all Canadian 15 cwt Basic G.S. Body Types.

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Old 23-02-03, 15:16
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Mike,

Looking at the drawings, I wonder: could the softwood 7/8" boards originally have had a tongue-and-groove to give the panels a bit more rigidity?

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Old 23-02-03, 15:55
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hi Hanno,
The original boards on this particular body I have been measuring from are not tongue and groove , but I believe some makers did use T & G on GS bodies .

These GS bodies were built by various companies so I guess some variation in detail is to be expected .

It would be ideal to have a data bank of drawings for various bodies . In many cases civilian owners chopped up the original bodies on their ex WD vehicles as they were not practical e.g. heavy .

I will be adding more drawings as I do them .

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Hi to all,
have somebody new webpage or had downloaded the pictures from this site?
http://www.geocities.com/vk3cz/GSBody.html

On this site was nice chart for 15cwt GS body - Morris-Commercial.

I dindīt downloaded it.


Or have somebody chart for 30 cwt GS body?
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Old 07-08-10, 22:49
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Hi Radek,

You can find it at
http://web.archive.org/web/200803181...cz/GSBody.html

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Old 07-08-10, 23:02
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many thanks Terry

Can somebody confir me that the boards for 15 and 30 cwt are the same? No the lenght.
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Radek, I made a 15 cwt body for my C15. There's lots of pictures on this thread.
The British built bodies used 3 1/2" wide boards for the sides but the Canadian built bodies used wider boards.
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Old 08-08-10, 14:06
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Cletrac I have forgot on yourbriliant work, great.

Now I have confroted any pictures in my PC. It looks that Austin Co. used another size of boards than anothers.

I hope that the thickness of the boards is the same.
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Old 10-08-10, 02:42
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Hi to all,
have somebody new webpage or had downloaded the pictures from this site?
http://www.geocities.com/vk3cz/GSBody.html

On this site was nice chart for 15cwt GS body - Morris-Commercial.

I dindīt downloaded it.


Or have somebody chart for 30 cwt GS body?
That was my old web site . Looks like somebody has saved bits of it . geocities closed it down on me .

I never did finish off the GS drawings, for lack of information. I pieced it together from the remains of a GS body I have.

MIKE
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Old 10-08-10, 10:14
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Hi Mike,
it was nice website.

I have only pictures and rare Austin K30 - 30c.w.t. with non original body.

It looks that anothers servived Austins are K2 - 2 tons, the GS body is longer.
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I have draw any parts of 30 cwt body (it was made in Windows drawing, no Cad )

Is here somebody who will help to me with dimensions?
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Old 31-08-18, 10:32
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Many years ago Mike Kelly had drawn up the basics of the 15 cwt GS body as fitted to the Morris CS8, Guy Ant, Fordson WOT2 and Bedford MW GS trucks.
Mike used an original Morris Commercial built GS body dating from 1941 as a pattern. The original 7/8" boards appear to be a softwood e.g. pine or fir. The wood has a salmon pink hue and may be Douglas Fir or possibly a exotic pine from Europe. The 15 cwt GS bodies were built by various companies from 1934 on to 1945 and they do vary in detail. It should be noted these drawings were measured from a Morris Commercial body circa 1941 and they will vary in detail from bodies built by other companies.

Mike Kelly’s website was originally published on the now defunct geocities.com domain. A copy can be retrieved from https://web.archive.org/web/20080318...cz/GSBody.html

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