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Old 09-03-17, 20:16
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Hi Hanno,

Switches are made by Cole Hersee part number - M-493.

The toggle length matches the ones used on the LP2a dash but is shorter than that used on the Ford CMP dash.

Hope this helps.
Thanks Philip, it does help.

Just learned something new today: the toggle lenght for dthe LP2a carrier is shorter than on the truck - well, it does makes sense.

Will keep looking for other sources.

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Old 12-03-17, 13:37
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Default Spring into action...

Whilst pulling apart the suspension (and geez is that a fun job), I have found the front and rear springs combinations are all mixed up.

From the illustrated spare parts book, the lengths should be:

Front Outer - 10 1/2" - 9 coils
Front Inner - 9 1/4" - 12 colis
Rear Outer - 9 1/2" - 8 coils
Rear Inner - 11" - 15 coils

There is no mention of the spring sizes in either the parts manual, drivers manual nor the workshop manual so can anyone confirm that the illustrated spares manual is correct?
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Old 13-03-17, 02:31
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Hi Phillip, the eight front outer springs are the longer ones and the eight shorter ones are the rear ones.(outers)
Book says:
U59 front outer 10 1/2"
U60 front inner 9 1/4"
U61 rear outer 9 1/2"
U75 rear inner 11"
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Old 19-03-17, 11:36
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Default You light up my life.....

I needed a break from bogie springs, ball joints, suspension rods and the frustration that comes with trying to seperate them.

Now that you can actually own, rather than rent, a gas cylinder, I forked out the cash and purchased a bottle of oxy, borrowed the neighbours lpg regulator and did what little panel beating is required on the carrier.

The front and rear towing eyes are now level, as much of the dent as my skills allow had been taken out of the air scoop. The only thing left to straighten are the guard rails for the exhaust pipes, then it's hopefully off to the sandblasters.

I also re-attached the rear tool plate to its angle iron as it had been neatly cut off. With the aid of my junior spanner holders, removed the rear bogies from the hull as well as finished stripping the bearings from the wheels prior to them going off to Hugh Davies in SA for re-rubbering.

Now back to pulling the suspension apart.
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Old 26-03-17, 15:44
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Default Just a little teaser....

Slow weekend on the restoration front, could only get an hour or so in there today and started to straighten the exhaust guard rails.

But, I was very lucky to pick this up via a friend the other day.
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Old 26-03-17, 22:45
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........ O.K.... I'm intrigued........ What is it? ....Lewis gun or Mortar related???
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Old 13-04-17, 15:13
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Default Would you like fries with your 3" mortar........

This fried egg ring is the correct mount for the WW2 Lensatic Sight for the 3" Mortar. I also found a local collector with the upper tube band - strange where this stuff turns up.

Just now searching for the lower band, leather cap and ball end for the tube.

Work on stripping suspension bogies continues (slowly) but here is the bearing for the steering column and some of the restored bits sitting on the shelf.
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Old 16-04-17, 14:18
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Default My new (second) favourite toy.

How on the earth have I ever coped without an oxy set, this is the best thing ever.....

Siezed nuts, no worries - heat them up. Siezed clevis pins, no worries - heat them up. I feel like I've just found the wheel.

Almost finished getting the hull ready for the sandblasted, today removed the clamps for the track winch, cross shaft and rollers. Also continued to tap out all the threads.
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Old 16-04-17, 23:50
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Got to love that heat ! your new best friend .. Can we have some photos before and after hull is sandblasted are you taking your hull to them ? or are you getting a mobile guy out to you . Dale
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Old 17-04-17, 00:44
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a gas axe can give you a "nice edge" in a resto
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Old 17-04-17, 03:34
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Default A fantabulous event.

Snuck down to the shed this morning and tapped out the last few threads, phew, what tiresome job this has been, just when you think you've finished, you find another hole to re-tap, especially all those 0BA holes over the steering cam.

I am certainly a convert to welding nuts onto broken bolts to remove them. I've even found when they are flush you can weld on a washer and then weld on a nut to get them out. It's like magic.

Hopefully get the sandblaster to pick the hull this week.
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Old 17-04-17, 05:13
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That's a really tidy looking hull Phillip nice floor , Because your hot off the taps whats the thread size for the two horn button holes I can't find the correct thread and tap .
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Old 17-04-17, 11:37
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Hi Dale,

Horn button screws - RH (round head) - 2BA x 1/2".

My horn has gremlins, it used to work, then it stopped, then I got it going again and now I just cannot get the thing to work .
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Old 24-06-17, 11:49
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Default Fraptious Day

I've been on a course for a few weeks and whilst away, the sandblaster completed the hull and gave it an undercoat. Here it is being returned with Duke the wonder-dog supervising.

I need to make the heat shields behind the mufflers and can then get a top coat on before starting the re-assembly.

Still in denial over the bulk pile of suspension parts sitting on the floor and pondering what to do about the graphite cups.
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Old 02-07-17, 14:23
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Default Frozen

This week, dropped the cross tube, guards and air scoop into my new best friend, the local sandblaster and waiting for those to return.

Sanded back the primer this weekend and started applying the second primer coat. I've stuck to the grey primer as this was what was below the few areas of paint left on this hull. Despite some good initial progress it got too cold so only got half the job done with the aid of a heater.

Floor has come up well so looking forward to some warm weather and time to get the first coat of green on.

I also measured up a NOS leather cross tube seal and started making up the templates before I give these to the local saddle maker.
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Old 08-07-17, 12:56
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Default The Heat Is On

One of the heat shields on this carrier was okay but the other was knackered, plus 70 years of rust behind both just could not be left here, so they were both removed prior to the visit to the sandblasters.

During the week I found some correct thickness cement fibre sheet (a lot more socially acceptable than asbestos sheeting, but not certain the heat resistance will be anywhere near as good!). These were cut to the correct size and then a visit to my tame sheet metal fabricator to bend up both heat shields using one of the originals as a pattern.

Today managed to get down the shed for an hour and so cut out the recesses to go around the muffler bolt pads. I find it strange that these are both the same and not a mirror image of each other. I could not find a reference in any on the manuals, but regardless, these are what came off the carrier, so they are what goes back on.
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Old 07-08-17, 15:10
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Default Green, green grass of home....

After a slight technical hitch I'm finally able to post up some photos.

It's been a joy to go over to the shelf and pick up a restored part and then bolt it in. The sensation is going to be be short lived though as I still have a lot of parts to restore

The new heat shields were put back on, the one on the right was originally at an odd angle so I left this in the restoration.

Wiring has been installed, this was relatively straight forward to install progressively as the electrical conduit was installed.

Next step is to run the loom to the rear junction box and start installing the steering.
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Old 08-08-17, 01:24
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Really nice workmanship Phillip well done so far , paint color looks the same as mine ! have you got your wheels back yet ? if so can we have some photos also some more photos of you hull now its painted . Dale
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Old 10-08-17, 12:40
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Default A difference of pinions.....

Thanks Dale & Ron,

Colour is hopefully Khaki Green No.3. I do have a NOS part in matt green with the colour being close enough, especially once it fades.

Diff is pulled apart. The axles had been removed at some point so I was not expecting good things once the diff was opened up. In this respect I was not disappointed as ,despite there being plenty of petrified oil, the pinion is quite worn and at some stage the crown wheel has dropped bits on a few teeth.

As this carrier was fitted with the muff coupling, I want to keep it that way. I had thought that this was the last style of the three couplings but after research on the web, it seems that this ten splined pinion was late 30's and according to the hot rod forums, hard to find

Other that the crown wheel and pinion, the rest of the diff is very good, I'll throw a complete set of new bearings in there whilst it's all apart.

I'm also a little perplexed by the brake hub springs. It seems also that this four spring configuration was unique to 1938. Consequently there is very little information on the return springs and I can't locate any modern equivalents. Any ideas?
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Old 11-08-17, 00:08
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Phillip, Is this a 5.83:1 ratio? (Ratio stamped into housing)
Do you have a book to cover the rebuild?
What were the bearings like?
If you dress up the teeth will it run again?
Basically the 38 axle with splined pinion was fitted to the LP2 Carrier.
The LP2A was fitted with the 1940 axle with a keyed (taper) pinion.
The parts book lists those carriers fitted with the 5.83 ratio. This affects the speedo as well. These carriers were built after Jan. 42., with 1938 pattern axles.
There a two types of 1938 type one and type two. These variations relate to the way the axle tubes mount in the hull. type two requires no sleeves in the mounting brackets.
Notes: make sure you get your pinion preload right.
Heat the housing to load your pinion carrier in.
The side bearing preload is set by the gasket thickness (only one size 0.010"- ten thou.)
Any questions ask.
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Old 11-08-17, 14:05
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Default The vagaries of defence equipment.....

Hi Lynn,

Thanks, one of the first things I look for before beginning a restoration is the manuals - it generally saves a lot of errors (but then being slightly impetuous creates a few as well). I do have to remind myself that, soldiers being soldiers, and the army being the army, equipment changes when finally in service.

I have four manuals - still missing page 13 from "List of Spare Parts" to anyone reading (hint, hint).

The spare parts catalogue (Section E, Page 1) draws reference to 1938 diffs fitted to carrriers post 01JAN42 so I assume these are LP2a not just LP2's. It also lists two ratios 5.83 and 6.66. I cannot locate a stamp on the diff housing but sand-blasting may reveal this later. Ratio is 6.66.

Fittings on the diff housing are 1938 Type 1. This carrier post dates the manual SN's for fitting of this axle - (does anyone know how to date carrier SN's?) so given that all the parts match, it is highly probable that this diff is correct for this hull.

Another strange aspect is the offside front guard, sand blasting revealed that this had the holes for the front guard mounted data plate welded up. A case of SAR or the ADF using older stock?
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Old 12-08-17, 00:21
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I guess when the troops wiped out a few front guards, the powers that be saw the error of fitting the data plate to the guard and ordered the change.
Once the order went out (which may have included instructions to weld up holes) then the old stock guards would have been still used.
It was a time of no waste. I have 3 years of army council instructions. one item covers the recycling of old rubber bands and the return of the worn bits of rubber from old pencils!
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Despite my best attempts avoidance ( eg; taking cold showers, minimal clothing, working in a freezing cold shed (well anything under 8c is cold in my book)) I finally came down with the flu, (in unison - 'Awwwwww').

The best remedy I could find has two pain relievers and a trip to the shed to avoid re-infecting the family. It's been a busy week.

I am very greatful to my old friend and socialite, Wayne Henderson, who let me measure up a NOS leather bellows for the cross tube and create a set of drawings under his eagle eye. From this I made a paper template so that I could check my measurements and had another friend, Steve (the saddle maker) make a set. Result - Perfection - This guy is a craftsman. I made the leather inserts for the clutch, accelorater etc and they look very average in comparison.

All the linkages were installed and the steering set up. Then with the aid of my loving wife, the cross tube was installed. Then I had the take the cam plate back off and insert the cam rollers

Gear linkage is back in and now working on restoring the oil lines. Still have not done anything with the wheels and it's about time to strip down the engine.
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Fantastic . Any chance he could make me a set leather bellows for the cross tube for my carrier ?? Dale
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Hi Dale,

You did a brilliant job on your carrier, pm sent.
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Old 20-08-17, 14:05
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Slow weekend on the restoration front.

Took all the diff bearings down to the local bearing shop, the crown wheel bearings were in stock but the pinion bearings have to come ex-Melbourne. The roller bearing for the pinion might prove a little challenging so may have to resort to using US supplier.

Spent the afternoon straightening all the cooling fins on the oil cooler test fitted today with pipes before I remake at one that has a nasty crush injury.

Then spent an hour hunting around the shed looking for the pipe bender, before giving up and started pulling down the engine. Now , where did I leave my engine stand......
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Now , where did I leave my engine stand......
A shop busy enough to lose an engine stand in? Oh happy days!!!
Great work on the carrier. I love watching your progress.
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Old 04-09-17, 14:33
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Default Dances with cups....

Practically all my suspension cups are knackered - either worn out or cracked and broken. With replacements being non-existent, I've been scratching my head as to what to do.

I explored several options and settled on this for my experiment - 65 RON Polyurethene with 10% graphite powder (by weight).

I'm not very happy with the mould as I used a silicone putty and it's left some gaps and odd shapes but the cups clean up so it is good enough for this experiment.

The blue cup is an original that I've rebuilt for the mould, second is the rough cast and last is partially finished.

The resultant cups are not yet as strong as the original (they need a week to fully cure) but the graphite is giving some good lubrication properties, just not sure how quickly they will wear - but then we're not doing many miles on them.

Does anyone have any experience with manufacturing replacement cups?

I also found the engine stand at Wayne's. Possession being nine tenths of the law, I relocated it back home and have nearly finished stripping the engine in prep for rebuild.

Overall, despite a huge amount of crud, it was in fair condition. I'll finished pulling it down and send it off for a bath to work out what needs doing.
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