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Old 09-02-23, 21:10
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The wartime twin drum winches were LeTourneau, the single drum were Hyster, afaik. I think Carco and Caterpillar equipment were post war fitments.
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Old 10-02-23, 06:10
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I have Carco winches on my bulldozers that date from the 50's, Cheers Andrew.
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Old 10-02-23, 11:01
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Jakko, There were other options for winches
On non-armoured dozers, AFAIK, yes — I think there was quite a variety of stuff used on those, in terms of winches, dozer blades, etc. My main interest in these typesof vehicles are the British armoured D6 and D7 dozers, though, and those all had Hyster D6N resp. D7N models, to the best of my knowledge.
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Old 10-02-23, 13:57
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Jakko, There were other options for winches (for those who dont know) There were (Carco ?) twin drum winches used on "cable controlled" equipment. Some Cats (D7) had cable controlled blades and a second drum was used to operate the bowl on a scraper. I assume the millitary dozers used in airfield construction were fitted with them?
AFAIK only the US Dozer had cable controlled blades? At least the British Armoured Dozers did not use cable controlled blades.


"[US] Combat engineers dig out this caterpillar bulldozer which became stuck in a muddy bomb crater while clearing off a road north of Marigny. 27/07/44" - read more here: https://flic.kr/p/kfTv9D

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Old 10-02-23, 20:39
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Adrian, you are correct. Not Carco, but Le Tourneau. My grandfather owned for a time, 7M8038. I have what remains of his book (I should have looked at it before my first post, here) The book lists models: T, FTD7, R, and N series model winches (cable control units). The book was published Feb. 42. I also have the book (TM-5-9150) on the previously mentioned Hyster D7N Towing winch (Feb 44)
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Old 11-02-23, 11:06
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Is that some kind of improvised armoured cab, or a standard fitting? It’s definitely not the M2 cab:

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Also, there is this US Navy one I came across:

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There are several more photos of it in the Flickr account I found it in.
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Old 11-02-23, 11:47
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Another one, said to be SeaBee (WW2 ? Postwar ? )

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Old 11-02-23, 14:08
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Those are IHC TD18's.
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Old 11-02-23, 18:46
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Is that some kind of improvised armoured cab, or a standard fitting? It’s definitely not the M2 cab:
I think it is an improvised cab. Of all the armoured dozers I have seen on here, I think the British one was the best
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Old 12-02-23, 10:52
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Of all the armoured dozers I have seen on here, I think the British one was the best
The US Navy one I posted looks even better to me, just on appearance alone, mind Hydraulically operated blade like the British vehicles, but a fully enclosed cab with a big visor that can be opened for better visibility outside of immediate danger. It almost looks like a 2.0 version of the British ones, but I couldn’t find out anything more about it when I tried on finding those pictures.
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Old 12-02-23, 12:06
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The US Navy one I posted looks even better to me, just on appearance alone, mind Hydraulically operated blade like the British vehicles, but a fully enclosed cab with a big visor that can be opened for better visibility outside of immediate danger. It almost looks like a 2.0 version of the British ones, but I couldn’t find out anything more about it when I tried on finding those pictures.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder Have not seen it before, I reckon the US Navy one could be a one-off.

The open cab on the British one offers less protection of course but a much better view to operate the dozer.

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Old 12-02-23, 20:30
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A famous photo taken on NAN WHITE Beach at Berničres-sur-Mer - read more here: https://flic.kr/p/UTh3hV

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Old 13-02-23, 10:52
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Not sure it’s a one-off, it seems fairly elaborate with those curved armour plates. But it’s proving frustratingly hard to find out more about that US Navy one — what part of, “Google, I want things that refer to the Navy” doesn’t that stupid site understand?

But in trying that, I did come across yet another, captioned as a “Caterpillar D-8 Tractor with Armored Cab”:

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Also this one, showing the cab being fitted to one of the bulldozers in the photo Patrice posted:

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At least, it’s most likely one of those, because that shows seven with the same armour plating, and these plywood templates for that have “7 required” and “14 required” written on them:

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Old 13-02-23, 13:39
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Nice finds, Jakko!
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