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Need help: M151a2 CAF Europe 74-22375
Hallo gents,
I own a former CAF Europe M151a2 she spots on front bumper number 74-22375 and HORNET (dot) CAF, rear bumper 74-22375 and Canada Flag, inside the hood HORNET-CAF and a round sticker on he windshield silver with the red maple leaf and written HORNET CAF all these are surely original. So I suppose that she served in Baden Soellinghen. Anyone knows anything about my car? Thank you for the help! |
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These are some more pics,
OK OK, I know the camo pattern is absolutely wrong ,
that's why I am searching original pics and infos on my baby ! ( I have already downloaded the restoration pics of this forum to fix this ) |
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Gaspare:
Welcome aboard! The sticker is something from the Air Force, but the name and numbers are not necessarily correct. My brother was an airforce technician on CF18 fighters when they were new, and they called themselves Hornet Handlers. I don't know what ground vehicles the Air Force had, or even if they had Standard Military Pattern field vehicles. What serial numbers are on the data plates?
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Perhaps someone's artistic creation?
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Hi,
Definitely a Canadian M151A2 judging by some of the mods. The CFR you have actually looks legit. I recall from the DND Database, that there were a bunch of CFRs at the end that were not the usual 74-09*** series. Sadly, I don't have access to the Database right now as I have moved offices yet again. Once I do, i'll pull up the Unit info. In the mean time, post up the Serial Number from the Dataplate on the dash. That can be used to check the validity of the CFR and then more importantly, lead to the Unit history. Scotty
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Although the Stickers look quite legit, the stencils are a bit strange....
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Thank you for the comments,
I'll check the data plates and I will tell you more. in the while i have a couple more question : First, I stolen this pic from the net, can you help me to locate where to look for this kind of label in the car? Second: long time ago i have seen some pics from (if I remember well) a Canadian Museum showing a CDN M151a2 (between many others) on display with what was defined as "a canadian ingenuity winch" made with two cylinders applied to the rear wheels and a rope. Anyone can help me to locate the museum and tell me if it was an official standard CDN device/transformation (also drawings and instruction would be fantastic informations). I thank all you in advance for your invaluable help. |
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The "Unstuckers" are a legitimate tool for the 1/4 ton "Jeeps". They can be found for sale from time to time around here. |
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From another thread on the M151A2s it was revealed that there are a block of numbers that start with 22350 to 22519, so your CFR falls into that block.
Your M151A2 looks very nice. Is it a reweld or uncut? |
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Serials pics
Here I am,
Thank you for the further informations, I add the following serials: Dashboard serial, Engine serial, Ziebart tag serial..... I can guess that the engine is not the original one, same concern about the windshield but I hope the dash is the original one, for the moment i didn't find more codes or Tac Signs. These M151a2 were cut and welded taking care of rejoining the matching bumpers serials from Perini of Riva del Garda. I have reports that the non matching numbers have been sold painted USARMY olive green or USARMY/USMC camo colors, other matching serials have been repainted from the owners as USA M151 being difficult to find original CDN uniforms. I am proud to have a CDN one! |
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Thank you very much Rob, it is a reweld one.
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about the"Unstuckers", do you mean the UN stickers? (may be obvious but i am Italian and my english may be limited.... ) |
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The unstuckers are a cheap version of a winch that the Canadian forces tried out. The majority of the Canadian M151A2s had a plate on the hubs of each rear wheel. If you got stuck, you then attached two spools of rope to these plates and attached another rope from them to your anchor.
I never saw the rope spools when the M151A2s were in service, although there were plenty kicking around in the Iltis era. Can't say as I have ever talked to anyone who actually hooked one up and recovered themselves. One could call the unstuckers either a piece of liberal era canadiana, or else you could call them a joke. |
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The CAF winch
This is what the winch i mentioned looks like:
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and so these are the unstuck......
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The Ziebart Decal is also a lucky thing to have. In fact, if you wouldn't mind, could you snap a photo that shows the entire tag? I'm debating getting a decal made up for mine but have been unable to find a decent one to copy. Thanks for posting up the photos. Scotty |
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Yup, those are the "unstuckers". I wouldn't mind at least the flanges if anyone is sitting on a pair.
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In a damp climate, rust is a big concern. Ziebart is a company that got started spraying oily sticky rustproofing compound on cars and trucks. My grandfather's garage would undercoat a car for a few hundred dollars in the 1960's, which easily extended the life of the body by 5 or 6 years. (But his top mechanics also died of cancer from the compounds or the cleaners .) I don't know what the Forces did to Jeeps for undercoating, but likely each one went through the local Ziebart shop for spraying at some stage in the maintenance cycle.
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The Ziebart was applied to the M151A2s around 1980. I know this because some of the last ones they did were the training aids in the school. Made for messy training....that stuff did not wash off with soap. Solvent worked pretty good though.
Scotty: I may be able to pull a Ziebart decal off one of my many spare windshields when I get a chance. It won't be pristine, but it should be a good sample. I think the unstucker plates are the same as the Iltis. It was just the nuts that were different to adapt to the different hubs. I have spare plates, and likely the drums too, but I may not have many spare nuts for them, as I need them to modify for my 5/4 ton. |
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the Ziebart certification is not a decal but a label, I'll shot and post some pics for you tomorrow (actually i am at work 'till 11pm) |
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Ziebart tag
Hallo again,
here are some Ziebart tag pics, do you prefer measures in centimeters or inches? |
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Scotch
While on the boardwalk in KAF in May, I saw Rob drink a milkshake. It might have been butterscotch....
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Damn near every Mechanic I "Horse-Trade" with lately drinks Beer. Shipping a case of Beer cross country is not economically viable. Scotch on the other hand.... I need to find Robs poison as I'm currently running a hell of a trade deficit with him. So, maybe a Dairy Queen gift certificate eh? |
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Scotty,
did you receive my PM?
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This thread is really starting the MLU wander.....
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When 99% of the subscribers have Aluminum Pot Syndrome, I thinks inevitable
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ok, i wanted to inform you that i ordered a Ziebart label from Perini, i will receive it next week and then i will send it to you.
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Favourite Foods
I also saw him scarf down a hamburger at TGIFriday's, so that may be an option as well, although Dairy Queen certainly has more Canadian content.
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