Chevrolet CMP C15 cab 11 body 2A1

[Alex van de Wetering]

You never finish to learn at this game.

Well said! One of the lovely things about our forum!......although it does usually mean going to bed in the middle of the night

what about GMC CCKW? Don't they use the same webbing stuff under the bonnet/hood? I did buy some NOS CCKW nails/screws a while ago, which are the same as used on the CMP to secure the seal.


Bob, Jacek; I have some pics of a C15 here in Holland with a 2A1 body (also came from France) and allthough I think Jacek's truck probably retains more original details, I will try to post some pics in the weekend.


Alex

[Bob Carriere]

Alex

You were right....my cab 11 had rubber anti-squeak spacer.

It had canvass tape elsewhere but on the hood it was RUBBER...

Always learning is fine....... not remembering due to age is the pits.

Now I need to find some rubber material.

Cheers

Bob

[Jacek Nitkiewicz]

It is canvas seal all arround under the hood in mine Chevy.

[Jacek Nitkiewicz]

Bob I am curious how these wingnuts You wrote about were securing the hood. Do You have any photo? I also can't find any bolts for wingnuts in engine cover panels. On the picture You have posted there are two hooks which purpose was probably to secure the hood. I don’t think it was original design as I can see any trace of it in my truck or on Cletrac vehicle.

[Bob Carriere]

Hi Jacek

NO.... those two clips on my cab 11 are WRONG..... they were added by the previous owner and have no place on a cab 11

The hood on factory pictures was held by two nuts, one in each forward corner....... I have seen many pictures with washers welded upright on those nuts for easier dissassembly in routine maintenance..... they may have been replaced by wing nuts at the factgory eventually.

Will look for other pictures.

A friend of mine has found the supplier for the canvass web for the hood and I will forward to you separately.......

Cheers

[Bob Carriere]

Showing the hood on an early C8 cab 11

the two bolt holes are marked

Also included the dash portion which has retained its lettering even thoguh the rest of the truck is totally rusted. Not sure if the lettering was only o the early no vent models.

Looking for other pics.

Cheers

[Jacek Nitkiewicz]

There are 4 possible holes for bolts, but only two in the center could be used for wingnuts. Or it was not a wingnut but a wingbolt they used?

[cletrac (RIP)]

This hood is all original. Those bent straps hook onto the rear of the opening and two bolts hold the front down. You can see the only holes on the rear of the opening hold down the rubber weatherstripping. The two holes on the front that are an inch or so from the edges are where the bolts go. The parts book says:
Screw, hood centre panel thumb (first jobs) (5801405)

[Jacek Nitkiewicz]

So if hood was secured in these points it couldn’t be wingnuts because there are holders for square nuts underneath, so only bolt can go there.

[Bob Carriere]

Thanks David

so the "Thumb screw" would be some kind of wing nut screw....... a short piece of threaded rod welded to a thumb screw.

Jacek you have the right square nuts identified. If you have trouble finding thumbscrew in British/North American thread size let me know.

Cheers

[cletrac (RIP)]

I have another hood with the thumb screws but I'm not sure where it is. The screw heads are about 5/8" or 3/4" diameter and are knurled. They have some way to keep them from coming out of the hood piece too.
The picture looks pretty close to the original.

[cletrac (RIP)]

After posting the last picture I came across this factory photo. Now we know for sure. The bolt head has a blade sticking up.

[Bob Carriere]

Thanks David..... I think they are still available....will search.

Bob C

[Jacek Nitkiewicz]

never seen bolts with such head in Poland.

[Bob Carriere]

http://www.spaenaur.com/catalog/#B331/z

The only problems is they will not sell only two.

I will inquire and if the price is reasonable will order a small quantity and remail.... will need to determine thread size..... either 1/4 20tpi or 5/16 18tpi

Cheers

[Jacek Nitkiewicz]

Incredible supply.

[Jacek Nitkiewicz]

New subframe is ready. We tried how it will look like with metalwork we had from old body.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Jacek Nitkiewicz

Vehicle was painted three times: original factory green paint, later in all accessible parts this paint was removed and truck was painted outside dark blue by auto workshop "Garage M. Chatelier" in Bretany. Someone repainted it grey inside and outside at last but without cleaning, so this layer can be removed very easy. So far I couldn’t find any military markings on the truck except WD mark on one of the tires.

Jacek,

Over on HMVF I saw you posted a picture of the number found on the bumper. I guess "363 W7" is a civilian registration number?


I was asking about any military markings because I wonder if this C15 was one supplied to France after WW2, or if it was one of many captured in 1940 by the German Army, used by them during the occupation of France, after which it was put to civilian use? If only trucks like this could tell their whole story!

Hanno

[Jacek Nitkiewicz]

Hanno, I couldn't find any military marks so far. I doubt it was one of the trucks left behind , it has inspection plate from GM dated 1945. Certificat D'Immatriculacion I have is for reg no 352CE35. It was issued in 1955. No idea where 363 W7 comes from. One thing for sure it was covered with paint, so must have been before 352CE35. I will be in Bretany next week I try to lern more about vehicle history.

[Jacek Nitkiewicz]

Originally Posted by Bob Carriere

TB Tonawanda engine plant in the USA out side of Buffulo, New York

R for right hand drive A for military.

Comments welcome if above is not correct.

During the early years of productions engines were imported from USA to supplement the production facilities from Windsor, Ontario Canada.

Looks very much like the original factory engine for the truck.

I think it makes vehicle quite special.

[Jacek Nitkiewicz]

Is this rear lamp original or some French addition ?

[cletrac (RIP)]

Definitely not original!

[Alex van de Wetering]

Jacek,

You're making good progress!

The rear lights are not original to the truck. Original rear lights would have been Rubbolite-style lights (lights with rubber housing). Early trucks only had two of these on the right hand side.

I don't know about regulations in Poland; but you will likely need some modern lights to be able to use your truck on the road. The "French" light, although not original; does look very "period" and might be good to keep for that reason.

Alex

[Jacek Nitkiewicz]

We have quite good regulations concerning registration of old vehicles. It can be restored to 100% and get special "historic vehicle" registration plate which allows it to drive on public roads.

[Jacek Nitkiewicz]

Trip to Bretany didn't bring any results. In Renes they told me that according to Certificat D'Immatriculacion I have, truck was deleted from Register of Motor Vehicles in 1968. They keep archives for 5 years so in 1973 all documents concering this truck were destroyed. Only clue I've got is to find one more number behind 363 W 7 , it will indicate in which prefecture truck was registered before 1955.

[Jacek Nitkiewicz]

We assembled new floor.

[Bob Carriere]

You make all that work look so easy......

Bob C

[cletrac (RIP)]

The old floor on your box didn't have the holes for the division boards so the floor must have been changed at one time.

[Jacek Nitkiewicz]

Some more work done on the box.

[Jacek Nitkiewicz]

These reinforcements of rear mudguards are original or were added later ?
Welding was done just on ends and it was a good place for mud to start corrossion.