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Old 31-07-21, 08:25
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Does anyone have or know where to find the following drawing detailing the fitment of the 19 set to the Carriers M.G. Aust. 2 or 2A ?

Drawing A.D.D. (W) 22
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Hi Mike,

As far as I know, all the Army Design Directorate (ADD) drawings dating from the Second World War were held by the Land Engineering Agency or whatever they call it these days (it has changed names and departments quite a few times!) at Maribyrnong, and were disposed of during one of the many re-organisations.

I managed to look at a few surviving carrier drawings in the late '80s, but the personnel involved then were disinterested to the point of being, well, 'difficult', and obtaining any copies was not permitted.

I suspect the drawings you are after no longer exist.

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Old 03-08-21, 01:20
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Mike and Mike.

I am not at all sure how the V.A.O.S. System worked during the War so am tossing this out there rather blindly.

If the A.D.D. Section designed something new, would they simply advise the authority in charge of the VAOS and get a number issued, or would copies of the drawings have to be submitted for approval to avoid duplications?

I guess what I am wondering is if copies of these drawings could exist elsewhere in some long forgotten V.A.O.S. archive?



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Old 03-08-21, 01:43
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I guess it was a long shot query but it sounds like another case of being too late . The shredder has done the deed !

I have a job that involves installing a WS19 in a M.G.carrier Aust. 2A.

Any pics or relevant information would be appreciated. We do know the location of the two control boxes within the hull , but not their type , there were many types of control boxes issued .

We need: dog bone 6 pin connector , mic/headphone harness, 12 pin plugs, and two 6 pin sockets.

The set itself is a rare AWA WS 19 (Aust.) which is a ideal match for the
Aust. carrier.

My own collection of 19 set equipment , mostly went to QLD many years ago , to a chap who at the time ,restored Grant tanks.
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Old 03-08-21, 14:47
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I have a job that involves installing a WS19 in a M.G.carrier Aust. 2A.

Any pics or relevant information would be appreciated. We do know the location of the two control boxes within the hull , but not their type , there were many types of control boxes issued .
Control Unit No.1 or 1A for the front (Commander/Gunner and Driver)
Control Unit No.2 by the set for the Wireless Operator.

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Control Unit No.1 or 1A for the front (Commander/Gunner and Driver)
Control Unit No.2 by the set for the Wireless Operator.

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Ah good, that helps .
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Old 03-08-21, 02:00
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Hi David,

The Vocabulary of Army Ordnance Stores (VAOS) was the classification of, and numbering of, stores for inventory and requisitioning purposes once they were approved for use and manufactured with that number stenciled or stamped in place.

The process, from what I understand, was that Army issued a requirement, MGO Design Division then came up with the solution, after experimentation and trials, then the ADD would produce a set of final drawings for manufacture. These would include specifications of where and how to apply the VAOS number for ID purposes.

The Ministry of Munitions was then issued with an order by Army, such as "500 XYZ according to drawings ADD xxx". The Ministry of Munitions, through the Board of Area Management (BAM) in each state, issued manufacturing orders to industry, such as an order to a Major Coordinating Contractor in the case of larger munitions items, or direct to small manufacturers where an item could be manufactured by a single company.

The manufacturer then produced the item and lodged it for Army Inspection Branch to approve and accept it for service use. Once it passed inspection, it was then delivered to an Ordnance Store for issue to units through the supply chain.

As far as the user was concerned, only the VAOS number was relevant, as that was what was used for requisitioning.

So there were several sets or copies of drawings required for each item ordered, which were then disseminated through the ordering and manufacturing system at national, state BAM, and company level, but I've never been able to find any surviving drawings - they seem to have been disposed of when no longer required. The Ministry of Munitions was swallowed up post-war, in various govt re-organisations. Maybe there are drawings stuck away in the National Archives somewhere, but in most instances, it appears they were the victim of archival 'selection' by either the originating agency, or the archives themselves.

In instances where an item was still an in-service requirement, the 'master' drawings were retained by Army in the long term. I can remember my father's company receiving an order for outboard motor refueling funnels during the 1970s, with the drawings dated in the 1930s! Same with 1 pint oil cans - the drawings dated from the 1930s, but with revisions noted.

Hope that makes some sense.

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It does, Mike.

Thank you.

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Old 03-08-21, 14:47
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The AWA set seen here has been modified into a Mk 3 configuration with 12 pin sockets . The switch knobs are typically AWA in style

https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/Sear....aspx?B=649466

would be nice to read the design document but it costs !
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