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Mike, Nice pictures! I am having trouble with the logic of a tracked trailer towed by a wheeled truck. I bet this last one was not very cost effective. Look at all that old world (over) engineering.
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Is it Aust? The tracks look like Churchill???
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Mike , I believe that there will be one of those 2 wheeled Carrier carrying trailers at Corowa this year. Hopefully with a carrier on board.
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Trailers
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Now I thought they were the 7 1/2 ton, especially the desert shots...with the standard pattern tyres for desert use. I have drawings of the trailer (ex REME). One question as yet unanswered, the rear bogie is linked...I thought the rear wheels would act independantly, but the link locks them in place. Any reason ???? I hope the following will create some interest......Thanks to Les Freathy for some of the info. George. |
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Some more on trailers
Here are the rest.
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I had/have? some of the wooden chocks with the steel handle and the lock bolts as pictured on the deck of the 7-1/2 ton trailer in picture 4 kicking about the place. I seem to remember they came in a bundle of four.
David
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chocks
No not the ones that come in a fancy box......
There were four in a set, if you still have them.....could you photo the locking device.....I never made out how it actually worked.....two pins obviously located into a set of parrallel holes on the trackway....there were quite a few to enable the block to sit exactly. There looks to be a handle to carry the thing, then two "spring loaded" pins...any more details would be welcome. George. |
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Hi George,
The handles are like a bent piece of 1/4" diameter rod with a bit of 3/16" x 1/2" flat an inch and a quarter or so long welded on each end with a hole in each one for attachment to the block. One 'foot' points up and the other down. The lock bolts have a body about 3/4" diameter and about 6" long with a blunt point on the lower end that has a lug sticking out one side which is obviously intended to pass through a key shaped hole in the trailer deck then the pin rotated by the handle on the top so as it is captive. The handle is in the form of a piece of 3/8" diameter rod welded to the top of the pin having a curl back on the free end for gripping between thumb and fingers. The pin is captive in a tube made by a 'U' shaped channel welded to a flat plate attached to the block by screws. No springs are used . Keep in mind however that the Australian version may differ from the English. Given time, which is in short supply at the moment, I will try and post some pictures. Questions, do the trailers have key shaped holes in the deck and what is the distance between centres? Dave
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Thanks
Great response and many thanks......looking at the drawings and what photos there are, I was not aware the "holes" were key shapes, this now seems logical as an easy and positive way of locking them in place. When you get time, a photo would be great.....but your answer has solved my question.
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Recovery Trailer, 6 Wheeled, 8 Ton (Aust) Mk 1
G'day David and George,
In answer to your questions, yes the deck does have key shaped holes at the front and rear - not continuous for the full lentgh. As to the centres, I do not have access to the trailer at the moment until I make some room at the "shed". Currently (kindly) stored at a mate's place. When I get the chance I will measure the centres, but hopefully the pictures will help out. Regards, Darian. |
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tracked semitrailer
Hello all,
this 1/2 tracked tank transporter is very unusual, was this a prototype? Any more information on the beast? Can someone identify the attached australian low loader trailer (photo from AWM database), was this a full trailer or a semitrailer I wonder? Greetings from snowy Austria, Juergen Kurz |
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Tracked transporter
Ok, this may be way off beam.....but tracked transporters were looked at in the UK, some developments including the NLE (Naval Land Equipment) or Nellie, a concept trench digging machine was converted to carry the heavier tanks coming into service....a number of thoughts are raised.....one the development for tank recovery under hostile conditions, or ground that was not suitable for wheeled vehicles.....perhaps, and I was thinking out of the box, with the shortage of rubber after the Japanese had taken large parts of Asia, an alternative was to use tracked bogies.....to reduce the number of rubber tyres required.
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6 wheeler trailers
Looking again at the stuff Darian posted and sent, am I correct in saying that there were two types of 6 wheeled trailer, one rated at 8 ton, the other 7 1/2 ton ???
What appears to me is the basic similar layout of treadways, but the bogie and construction of the main frame differed......the 6 ton does not seem to have the pivot arrangement between the front steerable axle and the main longitudinal beam (chassis). The front towing A frame is square on the 8 ton, but made of 1/2 round angle on the 7 1/2 ton. Revisiting the photos, the keyhole shapes are very clear, as is the detail on the manual drawings when viewed in close up. Something I had missed. For information, I enclose the Resin kit that I mastered of the 7 1/2 ton trailer. George. Last edited by George Moore; 07-02-13 at 12:09. Reason: 6 ton altered to 8 ton |
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Trailers, 6 Wheeled - Two Versions
G'day George,
Yes, I believe you are correct in saying that there are two versions. The first being (and forgive me if I dont get the country of origin right) the English / Canadian Pattern Cranes 7.5 Ton Trailer and the second being the Australian Pattern (unique to us) 8 Ton version. I'm not 100% sure if we (Aust) had a 6 Ton version - which looked even closer in appearance to "your" Cranes 7.5 Ton version. The investigations still continue (as time permits). Basically they are essentially the same trailer, well style anyway, but the major differences are the suspension types and the main chassis construction. Cranes having a "torsion bar" style suspension and the Aust Version having "walking beam / pivot" suspension - like that of the Taskers Trailer in your earlier post. I'm not sure if my suspension terminology is right. Components like the decks, ramps, chocks, leveling / stabiliser legs / Rollers / fairleads, shackle mounting castings, etc. are virtually the same. The side of the Cranes Trailer has a deeper profile, or combing rail, which covers or hides the cross members of the chassis. The Australian Version just has the edges of the deck (tray) with tapered outriggers underneath heading back to the main chassis rail. I guess the two verions (well the Australian Version) was just built to different, or local, manufacturing techniques that the fellas on the production line were perhaps already familiar with, or perhaps it was just easier, quicker, simpler - who knows - but that's half the fun of working it all out. It's has only been with the help from yourself, David (motto), Mike K., Mike C. and others, in providing the photographs, descriptions, etc. that we (a mate Pedr and I) are starting to slowly put the variants, or differences, in place. Bearing in mind, I / we have only really looked at these types of trailers in more detail for the last week or so, and I am more than happy to be corrected by those who have more knowledge on them. Hoping this makes some sense! Regards, Darian. |
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Seems i have been having a snooze on here, Did we not have a old thread on trailers but no matter its easier to find this new one rather than trawl back to find the old. Here are some shots of the Dyson/Crane 40 ton trailer Mk1, Goerge i have a set of tracked trailer photos i will dig them out and put a few up cheers Les |
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Tracked transporter: 'with the shortage of rubber after the Japanese had taken large parts of Asia, an alternative was to use tracked bogies.....to reduce the number of rubber tyres required.'
Bingo! George gets the prize! Prototype only. Les: no Dyson tank transporter trailers in Aust until the arrival of the Mk.3, 50 ton in 1951 (just prior to the first Centurion's arrival). Didn't last long: tooo much weight/tyre with a 50 ton tank aboard, so Australia built the 60 ton No.1 Mk.1 to suit local (State) road limits. It entered service in 1960. Mike C |
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Brain must have been in gear
Thanks, it kinda seemed a logical solution, there are references in the Canadian series of books about wooden tyres being tried out on some CMP's...Blueprint for Victory...page 45.
The UK tracked trailer was manufactured by Boulton Paul...so big they need large trailers to move them, which sort of defeated the object...I have only found one reference of them being used after D-Day to transport railway locomotives from Tank Landing craft. I am thinking along the same lines re the 7 1/2 ton 8 ton trailers, an Australian pattern and a UK pattern. Do you agree with my (comment) that the 8 ton did not have the pivoting front axle.....the one I had access to, I was told that the bearing was rusted solid, despite all efforts to free it off, the pivot action did not work......these are Cornish farm boys....if they couldnt make it free up, then no bugger could. George. |
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Distance between centres of locking pins on the chocks that I have is 10-3/4".
David
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I found this on another site and I thought it would interest some of you guys.
There's a lot of information there. Quote:
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Thanks for that info Ian.
That is why we, KVE Inc. are having the theme this year "The Year of the Trailed Equipment and Armour". There are so many trailers out there that have been demobbed and should be behind an ex-military vehicle, not just rotting away on a farm somewhere.. This years Corowa Swim-In has trailer entries of about 1 trailer to every 4 vehicles. So currently about 55 trailers have been entered so for. The entries are still coming in. If you haven't got your entry in, DO IT NOW. There are some very interesting trailers amongst them too. Regards rick.
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Preregistered participants have a chance to vote for: Trailed Equipment - People’s Choice: For your favorite piece of trailed equipment attending this year.
It is great the number of preregistered participants who are posting or emailing their forms at the moment. I wouldn't be surprised if we get around 250 preregistered participants.
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Reviving an old thread after merging two on the same subject. Just got sent another picture of a Dyson/Crane trailer by Richard Bolk and I though you would like to see it. Enjoy, Hanno
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Military trailers
I have a 8 ton Fruehauf Military trailer with a dolly The plate reads
Army corps of engineers .Low bed machinery trailer Maximum speed 30 mph .Maximum payload capacity 8 ton .Net chassis weight axel front tires 5030 LBS . axel rear 5040 LBS. Tires back 900x20 ,10 ply 55 lbs pressure OCE,PO 55 893 Fruehauf Trailer Co Detroit US Registration No W-095494 Front dolly has 750x20 Tires .It has a goose neck with a 10 foot deck and beaver tails with ramps . likly hauled small cats and carriers
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To add to this .When I bought it the previous owner had welded a ring on the front to be able to hook it to the back of his big deck truck. Then change the back axle and 40" springs to a 3 ton truck axle welded solid to the frame .This way they were able to haul D 7 cats weighting 25 tons on it after the war .I put the front dollyback under it .It has 8 tires all together .Does anyone have a picture of this trailer .I would like to know just for some detail .Thank's George
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Hello George,
I think this would be the one: Here´s one in action on the Alcan Highway in Alaska: HTH, Hanno
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There is a Dyson trailer for sale here https://www.generaaltjes.nl/Adverten...d-trailer-1942
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My PC crashed after the last post ,Thanks for the picture The 16 ton looks like it too only bigger .I also have a fuel trailer that my Dad bought after the war ,My Fordson N bomb hauler pulls it in the parades. It hauled fuel to the air planes in the UK in ww2 ,Have not seen another one like it. Also I have a 10 CWT trailer .
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George is hooked on OD 5 window DT969 8 ton Fruehauf trailer M2A1Halftrack ,CMP #11 F15A1 #13 F15A1 RAF Fordson Tractor, 42 WLC HD No.2MK11 CT267514 center CB24713 bottom hull25701 ,No.2 MK2 parts MK1 10128 ,(2) MK1 ,Parts Hull9305 .Hull 10407 Hull plate # 7250 all have walk plate on back steps 1917 Patent modle amphibious army tank |
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I would sure like to know how the Studebaker on the trailer got so mangled. I can't imagine what would do that without apparent damage to the cargo body.
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I think if it got airborne off a bridge or into a creek with a load of gravel or other loose contents the cab would act as a progressively collapsing unit while the load spilled forward over the top of the body sides (you can see the rear of the cab has been pushed). I doubt the result ended well for the occupants. Lang |
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