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Old 29-03-09, 01:54
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Default The rest!

These are the rest of the '42 C15s that I know of:

2842129961
2842129988 ENGINE # SR3864568 S/M 2485 Z 5195280 9 NOVEMBER 1942
2842130xxx ENGINE #SR3853267
2842130513
2842130531
2842130626
2842130644
2842130726
2842130751
2842130774
2842130776
2842130779
2842130829
2842130842 ENGINE # SR3855720 S/M 2485? 12 [NOVEMBER?] 1942
2842130991
2842131045
2842131140
2842131156
2842131248
2842131294
2842131348
28421314xx
2842131409
2842131417
2842131421
2842131424 ENGINE # SR3856299 SM 2485 18 NOVEMBER 1942
2842131443
2842131446
2842131465
2842131482
2842131498
284213249x
2842132518
2842132566
2842132573
2842132587
2842132593
2842132608


I also have 28421M40750 ENGINE # PR3,835,432 [MELBOURNE-ASSEMBLED] but am not sure if that is a correct transcription?

Note also in the previous posting that some engines had WR and PR prefixes. 1942 'PR' engines tended to be C60S and C60L units, and 1942 'WR' engines the rest, on further study. I have long suspected that the prefix letter indicates modifications, but if anyone can confirm I shall be vey interested.
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Old 29-03-09, 04:19
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Default Thank You David

David - thank you for all the data, I can now provide some provenance to this vehicle.

Keefy - yes I am aware it is SR, I just copied and pasted without modifying, lazy me. Looking forward to the footage.

Bob

PS - just had to post this again as I wasn't watching the clock and bang on 1/4 to the hour I WAS AGAIN LOGGED OFF.
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Old 29-03-09, 08:59
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PS - just had to post this again as I wasn't watching the clock and bang on 1/4 to the hour I WAS AGAIN LOGGED OFF.
Never happened to me... I wonder whether it is something to do with your machine...
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Old 29-03-09, 11:45
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The site does the same thing to me at 1/4 past the hour

I wonder if you are different Keith because of different programming for moderators ?
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Old 29-03-09, 12:02
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The site does the same thing to me at 1/4 past the hour

I wonder if you are different Keith because of different programming for moderators ?
I don't think so... I've never had any trouble like that in all the time I've been a member.
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It started for me a while after the new mlu format after the really big barrage of spammers hit the site a few months back

just happenned then on 1/4 past
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Old 29-03-09, 13:19
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Default West Aust Blitz's

Attached is a list of blitzs and there serial numbers .
I have not seen a legend for the WO numbers in my travels but one must exist some where .
Body Type Chassis Chassis Number Engine Number Contract Date ARN
Mileage
1 C60L 2-8443-N/A
2 C60L 3-8443M61391 SR3779880
3 C60X 2-8660M-00006
4 R 112 C60L 3-8443-M64120 1944 104943
5 WO38 C60S 2-8842-00119-P 3877099 27342 Water Tanker
6 WO52 C60L 2-8443-00132-P PR3868397 9/08/1943 6086 W/Shop Chassis
7 WO52 C60L 2-8843-00135-P PR3868457 8/10/1943 3377 Restored W/Shop
8 WO57 C60L 2-8443-P00257 Cab / Chassis
9 WO73 C15 2-8421-00111P SR3858344 67834 62000 Radio Van Complete
10 WO73 C15 2-8421-00077 SR3835415 16/04/43 68321 Radio Van Cut Down
11 WO73 C15 2-8421-00707-S SR3857701 71589 Radio Van Cut Down
12 WO73 C15 2-8421-00075 Wrecking

When a data tag says W/O FRONT END , what does this mean , war office , with out , front end is this a blitz cab say made in Aust or front wheel drive.


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Old 29-03-09, 13:43
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Default Chev blitz info

Attached is a page from the AWM records , it shows C15 and C15A wireless vans assembled in West Aust , note the different engine numbers between the two ( as noted before the letter R signifies right hand drive )
This is the legend for the attached picture , a little patience is required to read it !
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Cab Type
WO 12 C15A Wireless Signals Van style ( cab not separate to body ) 4x4
or
WO 73 C15 Wireless Signals Van style ( cab not separate ) 4x2

The chassis’s are different between the c15 and the c15a hence the different cab , sharper turning radius , different position of cab mounts .

In reference to attached document ARN numbers 006

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(1) W.A. assembled in W.Aust by Holdens Ltd or also known as GMH
(2) ARN these run consecutively down the page 67809 to 67840
(3) Cvt ( Chevrolet ) truck
(4) ? looks like 15 , could be 15 cwt
(5) Wireless Signals ( all on this page appears to be wireless/signals either c15 or c15a
(6) Engine numbers ( note that those prefixed with SR were fitted to the c15 and those with WR were fitted to c15a ) assume they come from different factories as part of knock down kits
(7) Chassis Numbers ( numbers run from 2-8421-00098 to 2-8421-00108 then 2-8444-157 to 2-8444-00168 , then back to the 8421 chassis’s again
(8) Model ie c15 or c15a
(9) Model year ie 42
(10) Wheel base 101’’
(11) Tyre Size 9.00x16
(12) Department of Supply and Development
(13) Written Off Board of ……… ( not clear , could be supply )
(14) R…….. Dept ( not clear )
(15) Notice the change in Chassis prefix to 8444 ( c15a )
(16) Notice change in chassis prefix to 8421 ( c15 )
(17) Unable to make out , could be S PARK or S PAKK
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Old 19-05-14, 13:19
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Good day,
I see this thread hasn't done much lately, so I will add my C15 details.

Chassis # 2842100380M
ARN 62400 or maybe 62466
I picked up a very good C15A Holden steel body on the weekend, and that has kick started my research into C15's ready for when I start the restoration.

I would think by reading through this thread my truck is a WO1, the top half of the plate under the left hand windscreen is broken off and all that is left is a piece that says WO cab and a job number. All other plates are missing.

The truck also has a unit sign in a pretty bad way, but I might be able to decipher what it is.

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Old 19-05-14, 22:52
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With regard to the page from AWM 126, I'd like to make a few comments:

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(1) W.A. assembled in W.Aust by Holdens Ltd or also known as GMH: No: the 'WA' means taken on charge by Army in Western Australia. This column does not refer to place of construction/assembly, (or the manufacturer) though in some instances, the state of taking on charge and state within which the constructor is located may be the same.
(2) ARN these run consecutively down the page 67809 to 67840 :agree. The AWM126 registers are in sequential order of registration number, from 1 to 19,999 but with significant gaps. The last registers actually finish before that final number, but it was the final block of numbers issued to Army - the RAAF were allocated 200000 onwards.
(3) Cvt ( Chevrolet ) truck:
(4) ? looks like 15 , could be 15 cwt: weight class column, so 15 meaning 15cwt
(5) Wireless Signals ( all on this page appears to be wireless/signals either c15 or c15a: agree.
(6) Engine numbers ( note that those prefixed with SR were fitted to the c15 and those with WR were fitted to c15a ) assume they come from different factories as part of knock down kits
(7) Chassis Numbers ( numbers run from 2-8421-00098 to 2-8421-00108 then 2-8444-157 to 2-8444-00168 , then back to the 8421 chassis’s again
(8) Model ie c15 or c15a
(9) Model year ie 42
(10) Wheel base 101’’
(11) Tyre Size 9.00x16
(12) Department of Supply and Development ie disposed of to the Dept of Supply and Development in the post-war period.
(13) Written Off Board of ……… ( not clear , could be supply ) 'Written off Board of Survey' ; a standard Army term for writing off an item of equipment.
(14) R…….. Dept ( not clear ): 'Premiers Department': ie disposed of to the Premiers Department, except the state is not stated!
(15) Notice the change in Chassis prefix to 8444 ( c15a )
(16) Notice change in chassis prefix to 8421 ( c15 )
(17) Unable to make out , could be S PARK or S PAKK: written in red, so part of the disposals information: Sold from a Sub-Park, ie ordnance depot subpark. There are various indicators in the red lettering as to where (which state: WA - West Aust, SA - South Aust. Most were sold to GM-H, mostly written as 'Holdens Ltd' on this page.

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Old 19-05-14, 23:04
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Ken Smith,

Your chassis number corresponds with registration 62400.

The original engine number was PR3825757. It was listed as a 'Cvt 15cwt AALMG' which means a standard GS base body, with an AALMG ('gallows') mount on the left side of the cab - there should be a series of 6? holes where this was bolted on - three in a vertical line on the cab side, and 3 in equivalent positions on the cab back. The AALMG Mount was a horrible piece of kit, and was soon 'lost' from most vehicles, leaving only the mounting plate attached to the cab.

The vehicle was taken on charge at 'VB', ie Victoria Barracks, most probably Melbourne as the vehicle was assembled at GM-H Fishermans Bend, indicated by the 'M' suffix on the chassis number (M = Melbourne).

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Old 19-05-14, 23:17
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Hi Ken
Good to see another batch of details.

The WO1 had a wooden body, but a good steel one would still make a good looking truck!

The ARN be confirmed if you manage to get access to the right page in AWM 126. Do you have an engine number? Most of the ones I have listed as survivors have a SR prefix.

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Good day,
I see this thread hasn't done much lately, so I will add my C15 details.

Chassis # 2842100380M
ARN 62400 or maybe 62466
I picked up a very good C15A Holden steel body on the weekend, and that has kick started my research into C15's ready for when I start the restoration.

I would think by reading through this thread my truck is a WO1, the top half of the plate under the left hand windscreen is broken off and all that is left is a piece that says WO cab and a job number. All other plates are missing.

The truck also has a unit sign in a pretty bad way, but I might be able to decipher what it is.

Cheers Ken
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Old 20-05-14, 05:44
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Thanks very much for the infomation Mike and Keith it was so nice of you to respond with information .
I was only yesterday telling one of the young fellas that work for me that times have changed and that when I bought my 12 cab Chev in 1980 that parts were plentiful and information on blitzes was impossible to find, now it is the other way around.

Mike, it makes such a difference having the correct and confirmed ARN and I really appreciate you going to all the trouble of clearing that up for me, all the other info is a real bonus. I checked the cab and it does have the LMG mounting holes and the former owner was good enough to put the whitworth bolts back in the holes.

Keith, I have never seen a CMP 15 Cwt wood body in the flesh, but an old couple back in 1982 told me about their C15 with wood body and the hundreds of bolts in it. I didn't believe them and thought that they had confused it with a home made body. The chassis for that truck is still around I will have to get the chassis number off it.

Isn't this a great forum

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This is one I've seen... and even been allowed to touch!

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Hi
If a truck is a model WO49, what it is?
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Keith Webb had started to collate a list HERE, but there is no mention yet of WO49.

Bit of a discussion in THIS THREAD.

What we do know is that that truck is a C60L assembled at Pagewood in Sydney.
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what's the L mean in C6OL as isn't their a C60S

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I can't speak to Australian usage but for Canada there were C60S for power auger, wireless, light AA tractor (Bofors), engineer, derrick, breakdown, tipper 650 gal petrol tanker and signals construction. (some of these could have been Ford only like the SP Bofors)

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L= 158" wheelbase.
S= 134" wheelbase.
2844300065S
2= 1942 build
8443= 60cwt long wheelbase
00065= 65th built that year
S= assembled in Sydney.
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Could 'WO' refer to War Office ?

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The R at beginning of engine number?
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I'm not 100% sure on this - Right hand drive.
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I did read the R could also indicate a replacement engine, but engine number matches plate so that's out.
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It's not R, it's PR3782449. Entirely normal for a Canadian-built original CMP engine, and the R in that does mean RHD.
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Thanks, I do see the P before the R now. Any ideas on what the numbering stands for on this Holden tag on same Blitz?
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WO49 is a GS truck, C60L (8443 chassis).

Referring to AWM126 vehicle registers, the engine number PR3782449 is close to those GS trucks (some with drop sides - D/S) found with ARNs around 60400 +. For example, engine number PR3782544 is ARN 60472, which has 'WO49' in the 8th column. ARN 60502 had engine number PR3782539. 60508 has '49' in col.8, and PR3782480 as the engine number.

Look at the GS trucks around those ARNs and you may find your vehicle.

The last image is of the plate attached to the front sheet metal. 'WO F End' means 'War Office Front End', along with the production number and date. All GMH manufactured CMP front ends were tagged in this way.

WO is War Office, and was the GMH descriptor for all CMP variants and major components, such as the front end sheet metal assembly. A WO number was assigned to each different vehicle design.

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Bit of a discussion in THIS THREAD.
Ausmick's thread "Model WO" merged here.

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Here's an incomplete WO97 Tipper:

https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/ober...ete/1220544758

Hard to read the complete details on the plate;

WO97
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3-8442M???60
WR3958425
SM-211-103
20 11 44 AUSM
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