Paint

[ajmac]

During the strip down of the Loyd, I've not seen any red lead primer at all, what has been present is a light pea green under the olive drap. Has anyone else seen this on their vehicles?
On top of the wartime OD is a lighter shade which I presume is a post war Belgian addition.... any idea what colour was popular in the 1950s for the Belgian army?

Note: Primer and OD above the final number in the attachment.

[RichardT10829]

mine had like a battleship grey primer, then the olive drab, then a truck load of red.....some white in places too.... be carefull when stripping that stuff off, and make sure that when you come to re prime you use an etch primer (if going onto bare metal) i have etch primed mine then a second layer of red oxide then 4 coats of base.

[paul visser]

The original collor on my loyd is Nr2 service brown. i found it on some parts (dash and front plating/armour) got it scan't and remade and it looks like sh..t. But its OK.

[RichardT10829]

The NR2 Brown was introduced around 1943 for the Italy campaign if I recall correctly, Mainly after the desert fiasco prior to Alamein with various units all having different cammo schemes, it was problematic for ground commanders to ID vehicles as friend or foe.... The Canadian / British coalition standardised the paint schemes for specific theaters of war after this point. Paul I wonder if yours has been to Italy or prepped for Italy / MEF campaign ? I know that vehicles (carriers) produced after 43 on orders for MEF were dispatched in the NR2 brown from factory (rather than the olive drab)

interesting stuff these things are like large pandora's box's.....tonnes of secrets within

[tankbarrell]

SCC 2 came in in 1942 due to a shortage of the pigments required to produce the then standard base colour of Khaki green No3 I believe.

[RichardT10829]

Adrian. would say that being the case it would have had to have been towards the end of 42 then i guess.... cant find my books from Mike Starmer othewise I could post an exact date I know by 43 they were knocking them out in the SCC2 more than ever Mike is somewhat the resource on paints and cammo schemes etc. i have the North Africa (after Alamein) and the Scicily / Italy schemes books from him, he has done alot of research from veterans and military correspondence etc to get the colours and the dates / theatres / usage on specific vehicles recorded... I had to use his books to get the correct shade of light stone base for my carrier as the new version of it is wrong for WW2 period.. and looks more like the 40's Desert ZI Pink they had introduced.

[tankbarrell]

Mike is indeed the man for colours. It is one very complex subject!

[RichardT10829]

just dont get him started on Caunter pattern

[Philliphastings]

Just last week I had a small sample batch of spraying enamel made up to match the original green found in several places on the Scout Carrier.

It turned out to be an Australian standard colour, the details of which I can post up in the next day or so. I simply had the stuff made up with flattener to make it lustreless and also had some made up in aerosol cans because I was too lazy to keep mixing and thinning etc.

It's actually a truly awful shade of olive green but I am 100% certain it is the original correct factory finish for this particular vehicle.

The aerosol exercise turned out to be VERY expensive and I won't be doing that again in a hurry !

Cheers

Phill

[RichardT10829]

Phill. mixing is easy buddy epecially if you use a measured mixing cup i am using a cromadex paint 222 fast air drying 10% matt finish, if it helps the nearest tint to 1940's light stone is a RAL code 1002 looks like chicken Korma when you put it on but it darkens off slightly when it drie's. its a bitch to spray with and takes very little thinners. if you use it you either need to set the gun to blow on a light film of paint and build it up or if your gun does not adjust you thin it so it just gets through otherwise when you turn around after doing the job you will have a floor full of paint and nothing left on the hull

Hanno has done a great review of Mikes books on here, so this is the link

http://www.mapleleafup.org/forums/showthread.php?t=4095

his books contain war time correspondence, orders, accounts and the all important swatches in the rear, including how the colours should be applied even to specific vehicles !

Richie

[paul visser]

I have paited the loyd yesterday in 2nr brown. with all the paint's there are i took this one (it was painted this collour on original parts).
I think it look's good.