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Old 20-06-19, 01:17
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Default 1940 Ford truck ID please

Hello all. Would like to identify this truck my son bought 20+ years ago. It has an extremely heavy chassis and front axle and is on 18" wheels. He was told it was an Australian Army 'desert truck' Any info would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Charlie.
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Old 20-06-19, 01:57
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Hi; Those two wheel drive trucks were common in ww2 service. Ford truck books show them in N Africa and the India theater, as well as in general service. Not all were 'Desert' though. Early Ford V8 Club is International for info. Newc
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Old 20-06-19, 02:15
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If it has a heavy chassis , it might be a Marmon Herrington truck (possibly)
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Old 20-06-19, 06:18
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Default 1940 Ford truck ID

Thank you Dave and Shaun.

Am I correct in saying the fords with headlights on stalks as opposed to set into guards are 1940?

Where should I look for a chassis number?

I am curious as to what body it might have had as the chassis and front axle are heavier than that of a 3 ton long wheelbase ford truck remains I have.

Its 2 wheel drive so not Marmon, although I have a long wheel base Marmon 4X4 remains that was used to haul bananas for yonks. Had a wooden cab, C cab I think they were called.

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Old 20-06-19, 11:00
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A few photos of the ‘heavy’ part of the chassis might help.
Headlights on stalks included 1941. 1942 the headlights went onto the guards.
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Old 20-06-19, 16:41
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.... and the chassis number and any other markings/stampings such as the body info stamped into the firewall, would all help, too.

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Old 27-06-19, 15:31
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The engine number on the rebuild tag is not the original engine, it is a post-war replacement/reco engine supplied through the commercial Ford Dealer network, not an Army rebuild.

The serial number was not always stamped on the chassis, although the Engine number was used by Ford as the vehicle identifier. This number was most often stamped on the gearbox bellhousing and not on the engine at all (and only sometimes repeated on the chassis) precisely for the reason of engine changes. However, that relies on the original gearbox remaining in the vehicle! (This was typical Ford practice dating from the Model T and Model A period).

While both the Australian "Desert" Fords and the Marmon-Herringtons had 10.50-18 tyres, the wheels were quite different. The Marmon-Herrington wheels has quite pronounced offset which gave the outer face an almost flat vertical face and were designed with a split rim and lock ring, while the 4x2 wheels were a drop-centre style with the two halves bolting together.
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Old 01-08-19, 02:50
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Thanks Tony. Being 4x2 it has the 2piece rims. One pic I posted shows body stamp #, so possible chassis, original engine #. I haven't had a chance to look at # on gearbox yet. Son seems permanently located in Perth now with 3 kids, wife, house in suburb so truck needs to find a new home out of my shed on Gold Coast.
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Old 10-08-19, 13:27
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Default 1940 / 41 chassis numbers

Most Fords in this era had chassis numbers stamped on the top flange of the chassis near the right hand front egine mount. It may be BB18F xxxxx , 2Gxxxx or 3Gxxxx Prefix. I have 5 and they all have chassis numbers.
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Old 11-08-19, 09:26
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Thanks John.

Will investigate the chassis # on rt hand rail.

I am intrigued by the stamping on the firewall 11 T 81 then underneath 6269. I noticed both your Fords are 11 T.

The T is made up by a 1 with another 1 stamped horizontally on top. Well it looks like the two 1s are meant to make a T. Wonder what body it had on it.

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Old 11-08-19, 10:32
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Thanks John.

Will investigate the chassis # on rt hand rail.

I am intrigued by the stamping on the firewall 11 T 81 then underneath 6269. I noticed both your Fords are 11 T.

The T is made up by a 1 with another 1 stamped horizontally on top. Well it looks like the two 1s are meant to make a T. Wonder what body it had on it.

Cheers, Charlie
11T 81 is the model number of the basic truck chassis; 1941 Year Model (ie '40-'41 build), 134"wb Truck with model 81 engine (1938 pattern 221ci, 85hp).

6269 is the body number of the cab.
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Old 12-08-19, 08:35
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Thanks Tony
Truck ID now known
What I hadn't twigged to was the T made up of 1 vertical and 1 horizontal on top till my son, Tom, suggested it.
Thanks again Charlie
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Old 12-08-19, 10:12
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Hello again Tony

# on gbox seems to be BB18F6673xxx
and #s on engine &AV2Rx7xx& and N or(W or V)59xx7xP
The engine came from same source but not same truck as far as I know.

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Old 12-08-19, 23:25
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Hello again Tony
Truck ID now known

# on gbox seems to be BB18F6673xxx
and #s on engine &AV2Rx7xx& and N or(W or V)59xx7xP
The engine came from same source but not same truck as far as I know.

Cheers, Charlie
See my statement in Post #7 above. The engine is a dealership-supplied reco engine and could well be from this truck, the original being long gone and traded in for the reco.

If you can read more of the bellhousing number, we might be able to ID the the truck's ARN, and what variant the truck was.

I read the serial number on the rebuild tag to be AV2R6782. Does the other number, N or(W or V)59xx7xP, appear to be poorly hand stamped, or factory? A photo would be good, I suspect it will be crudely hand stamped, and will tell you why.
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Old 13-08-19, 12:54
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Hi all, I realised that on post # 9 I did not mention that the engine numbers in Australia are suffixed with thr letter F for forign , right hand drive here in Aus.

The 81 in the cab number indicates a closed cab. From one of my Ford books lists the folloing.

78 Sedan delivery 112 wheel base.
80 platform (whatever they mean by this.) 122 w / b and 134 w / b regular truck and 101 and 134 w/ / b cab over engine trucks.
81 closed cab,
82 panel delivery 112 w / b
83 pickup 112 w / b.

Ford also used body numbers to indicate the body styles on cars , they ranged from 67 A De lux coupe with auxilary seats. All the way to 79 station waggon 118 w / b.
The number for a body part number went like this,,
11T 81 then the base number ie. 03100 .
11T means 1941 truck with 221 ci. engine.
19T means 1941 truck with 239 ci. engine
81 means closed truck cab.
03100 is the base number for the windscrean and was esed will into the 1980's and may still be used.
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Old 13-08-19, 17:59
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Default Uncle Henry's codified engines, bodies and cabs

There was a cab number with a prefix and a body number with a prefix on conventional Ford vehicles, as well as a codified engine number.

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11T81 xxxx on the cab stands for 1941, closed cab, on any of the wheel bases 122, 134, 157, 158 or 176 inch. It does not indicate the engine size or body type - the same cab could be used for any of the above wheel base lorries or utes.

An Australian 1941 Roadster (soft top) cab would have 11T81DDxxxx. My 1941 Ford 1 ton roadster cab, 122 inch WB model 11Y, had 11T81DDxxx stamped on the cab.

1941 Passenger sedans were prefixed '11A-73' , and coupe-utes had '11A-67'.

Body:

A rear body had a different set of prefixes. For example, the 1941 Aust LP3 and 3A artillery tractors had the body prefix 11L-FAT and 11L-FATW respectively, followed by the body production number.



Ford engines:

In Australia, the engine number was stamped at the time of assembling the engine & transmission to the chassis, onto the top of the right side chassis frame longitudinal side member adjacent to the engine cross member.

The engine number prefix indicated the year, bore size and the gearbox type. A '3G' prefix indicated an engine produced in the 1942 production year, with a 3 3/16 bore and four speed gearbox. '2G' for the 1941 production year, and '1G' for the 1940 production year. (A '1D' prefix would indicate a 3 3/16 inch bore, mated to a three speed gearbox, as used in passenger cars and light utilities. A 1C prefix was a 3 1/16 inch bore with a four speed gear box, while a 1A prefix was a 3 1/16 bore with a three-speed gearbox as used in passenger cars and light utilities.)

The suffix 'F' stands for other than US & Canadian domestic production, ie 'foreign', which in effect means for export right hand drive vehicles.

The 'F' appears as the suffix on Canadian engines, eg 2G37711F and as part of the prefix on US-sourced engines, eg BB18F-6763448.

3 3/16 bore engine blocks were supposed to have either '81' or '99' embossed onto the front right corner of the engine block, while 3 1/6 bore engines did not.

Clear as mud, eh?

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Old 17-08-19, 15:12
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