MLU FORUM  

Go Back   MLU FORUM > MILITARY VEHICLES > The Softskin Forum

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 21-07-18, 17:48
Danny Croone Danny Croone is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2018
Location: Netherlands
Posts: 10
Default Canadian Dodge ūT APT

Hello all,

I am Danny Croone from the netherlands and new to the forum. Reason why i joined? Some 40 years ago my grandfather took apart a Canadian Dodge APT together with a US WC-51. Now we are left with a big puzzle
Hope to find some info on the APT, especially for identifying all the parts i find.
For that i require a (digital) partslist, already sent a PM to Grant Bowker but maybe somebody else can provide one?

The engine that is on the truck does not belong there, it is a T214 (likely from the US WC-51). The original T236 is present but in parts. No ID plate in the cabin as the glovebox door is not there (well, not found it yet) but there is a norwegian army plate inside the cabin. The framenumber is 91168137.

When the truck is "collected" together it will likely be sold. My grandfather is in his 80's and i do not have time to restore it, a shame.
I am sure i will folow up this post with questions....
Attached Thumbnails
DSC_0337.jpg   DSC_0338.jpg   DSC_0346.jpg   DSC_0356.jpg   DSC_0352.jpg  

Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 21-07-18, 18:22
Phil Waterman's Avatar
Phil Waterman Phil Waterman is offline
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Temple, New Hampshire, USA
Posts: 3,829
Default Welcome Aboard - Jigsaw Puzzles are us

Hi Danny


Interesting puzzle, once bought a motorcycle that came in three baskets, yes it went back together and even ran well.


Agree shame you don't have the time to restore it, as you might find it an interesting challenge. If you do decide to take on the challenge of reassembly, other people have play the game of post pictures of parts and asking what is it with good success on MLU. At least here it is pretty certain what truck the parts came from, gets a little more challenging when parts are from lots of different trucks.



Moving on to the issue of selling the truck as a unit which is the best way to see that what looks to be a pretty solid truck actually gets restored, and not broken up for parts with lots of it just ending up as scrap.



To that effort to make a more attractive restoration project document as much as possible what parts are there. If you have space lay them out on like a blue tarp in groups of about meter square, so that each part can be seen them take pictures put a piece of paper,card etc. with a number in each photo group of parts. Photograph the truck so as to try and cover the whole truck.



Name of the game is to let a knowledgeable restorer get a clear picture of whats there and what the condition is.



Perhaps others on MLU could suggest other Dodge focused web sites the Netherlands or Europe which might be good to contact.


Best of luck.


Cheers Phil
__________________
Phil Waterman
`41 C60L Pattern 12
`42 C60S Radio Pattern 13
`45 HUP
http://canadianmilitarypattern.com/
New e-mail Philip@canadianmilitarypattern.com
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 22-07-18, 09:45
Danny Croone Danny Croone is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2018
Location: Netherlands
Posts: 10
Default

Helo Phil,

Thank you for your advice.
I wil certainly document/photograph all parts but first i need a partslist for that.
Fortunately most parts from the WC-51 interchange with the APT but not all.
For example, i found splash guards (if that's what they are called) with different lenght. The T236 engine is a bit longer than it's american counterpart.

Same for the hood which also has a gap on the passenger side, apperantly for running through a tube (deep wading). Speaking of that, i found a waterproof distributorcap that does not seem to belong to the ATP as they where round (with threaded holes for the cables, example photo taken from this forum). Can this cap be a post war norwegian army upgrade? Not found the other half yet
Somebody suggested it might be for an M37...
Attached Thumbnails
DSC_0212B.jpg   DSC_0287.jpg   8839b2l_20.jpg  

Last edited by Danny Croone; 22-07-18 at 09:54.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 25-07-18, 17:39
Danny Croone Danny Croone is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2018
Location: Netherlands
Posts: 10
Default Canadian Dodge ūT APT

Does anybody have a manual and partslist for the Dodge APT?
I prefer digital copies for now.
Please let me know...
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 25-07-18, 18:38
Hanno Spoelstra's Avatar
Hanno Spoelstra Hanno Spoelstra is offline
MLU Administrator
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 11,988
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny Croone View Post
Does anybody have a manual and partslist for the Dodge APT?
I prefer digital copies for now.
Please let me know...
Hello Danny,

Try contacting Grant Bowker, he has an extensive library of manuals.

Or Brian Asbury, see his reply to another thread years ago:
Quote:
Originally Posted by BCA View Post
I have available excellent reproductions of all three manuals for the Canadian Dodge D3/4 APT: Driver's Handbook, Maintenance Manual and Illustrated Parts book. PM me for details. Also a couple of original parts books. PM me for details if interested.
Brian
HTH,
Hanno
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 25-07-18, 23:00
Danny Croone Danny Croone is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2018
Location: Netherlands
Posts: 10
Default

Thx Hanno, PM's sent.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 26-07-18, 07:14
Lynn Eades's Avatar
Lynn Eades Lynn Eades is offline
Bluebell
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Tauranga, New Zealand
Posts: 5,068
Default

Hi Danny, I know my way around the wc51.
The cap has only 5 terminals. It is 4 cylinder= jeep.
Yes the APT has the hood cut out.
At first glance , all that stuff in the box is later type WC51 except the brake drum, assuming that's what it is.
I am looking for an early, all steel cargo bed (tray or rear deck) for one, along with the outer windscreen frame, a fuel tank, the tail gate, head board, and one seat base. maybe I should buy your Dodge?
__________________
Bluebell

Carrier Armoured O.P. No1 Mk3 W. T84991
Carrier Bren No2.Mk.I. NewZealand Railways. NZR.6.
Dodge WC55. 37mm Gun Motor Carriage M6
Jeep Mb #135668
So many questions....
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 26-07-18, 15:07
BCA BCA is offline
Brian Asbury
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 609
Default

Hi Danny, PM sent regarding manuals. ....... Brian
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 26-07-18, 16:40
Danny Croone Danny Croone is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2018
Location: Netherlands
Posts: 10
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lynn Eades View Post
Hi Danny, I know my way around the wc51.
The cap has only 5 terminals. It is 4 cylinder= jeep.
Yes the APT has the hood cut out.
At first glance , all that stuff in the box is later type WC51 except the brake drum, assuming that's what it is.
I am looking for an early, all steel cargo bed (tray or rear deck) for one, along with the outer windscreen frame, a fuel tank, the tail gate, head board, and one seat base. maybe I should buy your Dodge?
Hello Lynn,

This is the problem, i have a mix of (late) WC-51 and APT parts. Need to sort them out The brake drum is what it is, for the handbreak behind the gearbox.
The cap has 6 terminals so it is for a 6 cylinder. The high voltage cable should have it's connection on the bottom part which i have not found yet.
So...M37 or also APT but post war norwegian army upgrade?
Buy my dodge...i wonder what the shippingcost would be from the netherlands to NZ

I have sent a few PM's to various forum members for the APT manuals (and also have a few answers back). After my holiday i decide what to buy and from whom...
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 27-07-18, 11:47
Alex van de Wetering Alex van de Wetering is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Hoofddorp, The Netherlands
Posts: 2,297
Default

Danny,

Maybe these links are also of interest to you.....even though it doesn't go into extreme detail and part numbers:

http://wheelsofvictory.com/differ%20...sa-canada.html
http://wheelsofvictory.com/Canadian%...4%20dodge.html
http://wheelsofvictory.com/Canadian%...20vervolg.html
http://wheelsofvictory.com/Canadian%20dodge%20tech.html

Main index: http://wheelsofvictory.com/canadian%20index.html

Ron Perry, the owner of the website and MLU member, passed away a few years ago, so I don't know if the website will be around for much longer.

Alex
__________________
Chevrolet C8 cab 11 FFW
BSA Folding Bicycle
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 27-07-18, 12:16
Lynn Eades's Avatar
Lynn Eades Lynn Eades is offline
Bluebell
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Tauranga, New Zealand
Posts: 5,068
Default

Just looking at the comparisons. The last two pictures are the tow hooks.
I have never seen a 3/4 ton U.S. Dodge weapons carrier with a rotating pintle hook. Only ever seen that on the T223 (WC62 and WC63)
__________________
Bluebell

Carrier Armoured O.P. No1 Mk3 W. T84991
Carrier Bren No2.Mk.I. NewZealand Railways. NZR.6.
Dodge WC55. 37mm Gun Motor Carriage M6
Jeep Mb #135668
So many questions....
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 27-07-18, 14:06
motto motto is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Woodend,Victoria,Australia
Posts: 1,045
Default

The distributor top is, I believe, for an M37. The reason for no HT lead is that the coil (24 Volt) is within the ignition unit.
The M37 also has a rotating pintle hook.

David
__________________
Hell no! I'm not that old!
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 28-07-18, 07:54
Danny Croone Danny Croone is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2018
Location: Netherlands
Posts: 10
Default

Alex, thank you very much for the links! Very usefull.

For the distributor cap: M37 production started in 1951, also canadian M37CDNs where produced. The M37 used the same straight6 engine as it's WW2 predesessors.
The Dodge APT was produced in 1945 in 2 batches (of around 5000 each) I found out that the APT i have is from the second batch and these where, unlike the first batch, wadeproofed.
We never had M37 in the family so my only guess is that the norwegian army, my APT was used in, did an "upgrade" from the original wadeproof (round) distributor to the M37 wadeproof distributor. But...this one is 24V
Here is a photo i found on the net.
Attached Thumbnails
distributor.jpg  

Last edited by Danny Croone; 28-07-18 at 08:05.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 28-08-18, 16:11
robbby84 robbby84 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: ITALY
Posts: 28
Default

Hi Danny

the correct distributor cap for yor dodge is the one attached to this post

Cheers
Rob
Attached Thumbnails
DODGE (365).JPG  
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 29-08-18, 20:00
Danny Croone Danny Croone is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2018
Location: Netherlands
Posts: 10
Default

Hello Rob,

Thank you for that excelent photo, i found a few different distributors and one of them is like this one.
Case closed
I do not see many photo's online regarding details of engine etc.
Are you doing a restauration? Looks like it
More photos like this are very appreciated!
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 17-09-18, 21:21
Hanno Spoelstra's Avatar
Hanno Spoelstra Hanno Spoelstra is offline
MLU Administrator
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 11,988
Default

Here are more photo's of Danny's APT:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/LTbkvpW23qNYivqg9

HTH,
Hanno
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 20-08-19, 16:45
robbby84 robbby84 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: ITALY
Posts: 28
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny Croone View Post
Hello Rob,

Thank you for that excelent photo, i found a few different distributors and one of them is like this one.
Case closed
I do not see many photo's online regarding details of engine etc.
Are you doing a restauration? Looks like it
More photos like this are very appreciated!

My dodge was restored some years ago by me and my father: years of restoration







Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 20-08-19, 16:46
robbby84 robbby84 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: ITALY
Posts: 28
Default

















Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 20-08-19, 16:48
robbby84 robbby84 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: ITALY
Posts: 28
Default



















Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 20-08-19, 16:48
robbby84 robbby84 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: ITALY
Posts: 28
Default



















Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 20-08-19, 16:49
robbby84 robbby84 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: ITALY
Posts: 28
Default















I'm the owner of the facebook Group dedicated to the Canadian Dodge 3/4 APT WP, please join and share your dodge there"!
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Canadian Dodge, 3 ton 4x2 Kevin Goodwin The Softskin Forum 82 23-11-17 22:29
Canadian dodge ? martyn The Softskin Forum 16 13-02-11 23:52
My Canadian Dodge Restoration robbby84 The Restoration Forum 16 19-02-10 21:30
Canadian Dodge Breakdown? David_Hayward (RIP) The Softskin Forum 6 12-05-07 20:47
Canadian Dodge 3/4 ton APT Don Dingwall Post-war Military Vehicles 1 25-05-05 13:24


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 20:35.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © Maple Leaf Up, 2003-2016