rare find

Bob McNeill · #1 23-06-11, 07:10

Got a call today from my FRIENDLY scrappie, got some thing I might like, never one to miss out on good advise we went to look. It is FOR SALE the asking price is Au $1700, Ono. Which includes the No 12 F60L . Beware the trailer is Overwidth for NSW.

Bob McNeill · #2 23-06-11, 07:30

The No 12 appears in restorable to good nick, will give more details in Resto forumn.

Bob McNeill · #3 23-06-11, 07:58

Sorry folks, GONE, subject to getting transport.

greg egretz · #4 23-06-11, 08:19

Nice find it,s a pity we miss this for the Light horse in Rocky for our two Bren Gun Carriers and Blitzs Trucks Good find from Greg

RichardT10829 · #5 23-06-11, 09:24

was going to be cheeky and ask for a picture of the frame work and some dimensions this is pretty much the style of trailer i wanted to make for mine..... cant beleive those tyres would take the entrie weight....but clearly they did

anthony urek · #6 23-06-11, 11:13

Probably could do with some more wheel-nuts

colin jones · #7 23-06-11, 12:14

Thats a bargain, let me know if the deal falls through.
Colin.

Bob McNeill · #8 23-06-11, 13:42

Will be taking detailed pics over the w/end as this is the first single wheel recovery trailer I,ve seen. 1400/20 tyres. because of the width its recovery cost is high. It,s very complete, the drawbar is hinged by hydraulic ram, no major mods done, but what the hell towed it in OZ. certainly not the No 12 the previous owner had on the front of it.

Local Chap · #9 23-06-11, 16:39

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Originally Posted by Bob McNeill

It,s very complete, the drawbar is hinged by hydraulic ram, no major mods done, but what the hell towed it in OZ. certainly not the No 12 the previous owner had on the front of it.

I think it might very well have been towed by the Cab 12 (being a Ford!). These pics came off this forum:

RichardT10829 · #10 23-06-11, 17:13

would a Can/Brit carrier fit ? are they same size as the LP series carriers ?

Richard Farrant · #11 23-06-11, 18:34

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Originally Posted by Local Chap

I think it might very well have been towed by the Cab 12 (being a Ford!). These pics came off this forum:

Looking at the skid marks in the second photo, I think the loaded trailer took command of the Blitz.

warren brown · #12 23-06-11, 22:05

Good grief!

Richard Farrant · #13 23-06-11, 22:12

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Originally Posted by warren brown

Good grief!

Good job you can't see the skid marks on the driver's seat

Keith Webb · #14 23-06-11, 22:35

The most available vehicles to tow it at the time were three-tonners, but it is clear they were outside the 'comfort zone'.

These particular images show a cab 12 C60L in towing trails at Monegeeta (the army's proving ground). The carrier on the trailer was loaded to a specific weight with added track sections dumped in the back. The trailer certainly took charge in the latter part of the test.

Imagine driving the towing vehicle - a speed limit that must have been imposed (and you couldn't go fast on a flat road if you wanted to) there would have been restricted rear vision. Making a turn would have been hazardous, let alone an emergency stop.

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Originally Posted by Local Chap

I think it might very well have been towed by the Cab 12 (being a Ford!). These pics came off this forum:

Richard Farrant · #15 23-06-11, 22:52

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Originally Posted by Keith Webb

Imagine driving the towing vehicle - a speed limit that must have been imposed (and you couldn't go fast on a flat road if you wanted to) there would have been restricted rear vision. Making a turn would have been hazardous, let alone an emergency stop.

Keith,
Having the truck loaded with ballast would help a bit, at least it might stop the trailer lifting the rear of the truck off the ground.

There was an occurence once, where an Army Bedford MK 4x4 4 tonner towing a tandem axle tiltbed trailer with a Fox armoured car on it, lost it in a big way when the trailer took over, it ended up that the trailer rotated around the towing eye, wiping the Fox off the bed (chain restraints broke), leaving the truck standing with trailer still attached, but upside down. I am sure the Bedford would have been unladen. Scary !

Marc van Aalderen · #16 23-06-11, 22:55

But these are not similar trailers! The second pic is a British trailer and has six wheels! There was one for sale in the UK last year but the reserve was not met. I was interested but have nothing to tow it with.

I saved the pics from Ebay. This trailer is also less wide and will probably be road legal.

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Cheers,

Richard Farrant · #17 23-06-11, 23:15

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Originally Posted by Marc van Aalderen

But these are not similar trailers! The second pic is a British trailer and has six wheels! There was one for sale in the UK last year but the reserve was not met. I was interested but have nothing to tow it with.

I saved the pics from Ebay. This trailer is also less wide and will probably be road legal.

Hi Marc,

That is the 7 1/2 ton recovery trailer, originally designed for Light Tanks as well as Carriers. Road speed on lorries in those days was 20 MPH, but descending hills would have been slow. I have a feeling that brake issues would have to be dealt with if thinking of using one of these nowadays. Those used behind the Breakdown Gantry lorries, would have had vacuum brakes, only on the rear two axles, I think.

Marc van Aalderen · #18 23-06-11, 23:27

Hi Richard,

Probably a good thing then that I passed on it! I recently restored a DAF trailer from 1977 and use it to transport the Carrier, Dingo and 6 Pr.

Cheers,

Keith Webb · #19 24-06-11, 01:12

Hi Richard

If you look at the carrier... that's the one with the extra ballast, not the truck!

EDIT: The trailer with the cab 12 is a 6 ton recovery trailer as you will have noted. Braking tests were carried out at 10mph, 20mph and 30mph and they noted a transfer of weight to the front wheels of the truck.

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Originally Posted by Richard Farrant

Keith,
Having the truck loaded with ballast would help a bit, at least it might stop the trailer lifting the rear of the truck off the ground.

There was an occurence once, where an Army Bedford MK 4x4 4 tonner towing a tandem axle tiltbed trailer with a Fox armoured car on it, lost it in a big way when the trailer took over, it ended up that the trailer rotated around the towing eye, wiping the Fox off the bed (chain restraints broke), leaving the truck standing with trailer still attached, but upside down. I am sure the Bedford would have been unladen. Scary !

Mike Kelly · #20 24-06-11, 03:24

At the Carrier year at Corowa.. A 13 cab blitz had a carrier behind on a trailer..they followed us back from the airport ..I have pics to prove it ..will post here soon .

Mike

Rob Endersbee · #21 24-06-11, 08:02

Hi Guys,
we have one of these in the museum. Very heavy to tow! Had it behind our Inter 6x6 and couldnt get above about 30Km/hr. The carrier on it doesnt have any internals yet so weight wasnt the problem.

shaun · #22 24-06-11, 08:51

These 6 wheel trailers are called 7.5ton light recovery. i have owned 3 over the years. they are not uncommon in the UK. i know where there are 2 still laying on farms. There is somee great footage on how they are used on an old British Army recovery training film from the war, it shows the troops winching a carrier on the back of the trailer.
There were 3 differet marks all with variations on the brakes.
I my view they are not worth the effort of towing one, best place for one is in a museum .

Scrivo18 · #23 24-06-11, 10:55

Hi Guys

We are working on one of the single axle trailers at the moment.. very very rusty though as it was recovered from a sea side environment.. I would love to see some detailed photos of the brake mechaism etc and the hydrolic pivot set up as well.

The mudgaurds are extras I think as no information I have found shows mud guards.

Tim

Bob McNeill · #24 24-06-11, 11:18

Will be back out there over the w/end, didn,t think it would cause this much interest, better charge the batteries in the camera. The guards look the same colour, the brkts look original OR at least army fitted.

RichardT10829 · #25 24-06-11, 12:31

i reckon the single wheel way is the best.... lowers the weight of the trailer and as long as you get the CofG right..with a wee bit nose weight i reckon she would tow a treat ! i recently towed my hull to a pals place for storage on an ifor williams 3.5 tonner and it towed a treat.... mind my carrier is missing its tracks, engine and engine covers har har har.

can anyone advise if the LP carriers are the same width etc as the Can / Brit variants ?

methinks after i have done my cat H licence......cat C maybe not far behind hahaha.

Justin Pollard · #26 24-06-11, 12:54

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Originally Posted by RichardT10829

i reckon the single wheel way is the best.... lowers the weight of the trailer and as long as you get the CofG right..with a wee bit nose weight i reckon she would tow a treat ! i recently towed my hull to a pals place for storage on an ifor williams 3.5 tonner and it towed a treat.... mind my carrier is missing its tracks, engine and engine covers har har har.

can anyone advise if the LP carriers are the same width etc as the Can / Brit variants ?

methinks after i have done my cat H licence......cat C maybe not far behind hahaha.

Hello Richard,
The LP2/2A carriers are wider than the English mark 1 carriers, i dont know about the rest.

Justin.

Mike Kelly · #27 24-06-11, 13:25

I think this guy came from Mansfield ..but not sure . The trailer looks to be custom made

MIKE

RichardT10829 · #28 24-06-11, 14:13

now that is the way forward.... in UK terms... tax exempt.. you got your accommodation with you and its military ! Mind i bet that was a slow slog to where ever they went

Scrivo18 · #29 24-06-11, 15:00

Hi Guys

Thats Robin Mawsons set up.. It will actually sit on 50 mph I know as I have chased it through Tasmania.

He built the trailer to specifically move the carrier around.

Tim

Hans Mulder · #30 24-06-11, 17:44

I can tell you that with a carrier and 2000lbs of spare parts on a dual axle car hauler behind a 1/2 ton pickup, going through the mountains from Williams Lake to Hope at 80km has a pucker factor of about 8 out of 10. If it wasn't for trailer brakes... I have a three quarter ton pickup now...you need that extra weight and towing capacity. I'm sure I doubled the manufacturer's recommended towing load for the 1/2 ton.