MLU FORUM  

Go Back   MLU FORUM > MILITARY VEHICLES > The Armour Forum

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 23-02-17, 23:59
Dave Mills Dave Mills is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Seymour,Victoria, Australia
Posts: 192
Default Identification Required.

Last weekend we had the Humber at the Broadford Classic Truck Display and whilst chatting a fellow asked about the strange lugs on the roof. After i explained what they are for he said that his father sometime between 1959 and 1961 bought two stands home from Puckapunyal and the family has used them on the farm in the workshop as stands and he thought they may fit the Humber.

Now i am sure that they are not Humber (wish they had been) although i have only seen one picture of the gun mount on a vehicle in the UK. He thinks that they came from a Bren carrier????.

Can anyone out there in MLU land identify them and their use?

Cheers,

Dave.
Attached Thumbnails
Humber 113.jpg   Humber 114.JPG  
__________________
1 x 1955 Austin Champ WN1(restored)
2 x 1956 Austin Champ WN1(restored)
1 x 1955 Humber 4 x 4 GS (restored)
1 x 1945 FMC 1/4 Ton Trailer (restored)
1 x 1942 Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer (restored)
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 24-02-17, 00:31
Lynn Eades Lynn Eades is offline
Bluebell
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Tauranga, New Zealand
Posts: 5,534
Default

Aircraft engine mount???
__________________
Bluebell

Carrier Armoured O.P. No1 Mk3 W. T84991
Carrier Bren No2.Mk.I. NewZealand Railways. NZR.6.
Dodge WC55. 37mm Gun Motor Carriage M6
Jeep Mb #135668
So many questions....
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 24-02-17, 00:41
cletrac (RIP)'s Avatar
cletrac (RIP) cletrac (RIP) is offline
David Pope
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Eston, Sask, Canada
Posts: 2,251
Default

Looks like a Jacobs engine mount for a Cessna Crane or the like.
__________________
1940 Cab 11 C8 Wireless with 1A2 box & 11 set
1940 Cab 11 C8 cab and chassis
1940 Cab 11 C15 with 2A1 & Motley mount & Lewis gun
1940 Cab 11 F15A w/ Chev rear ends
1941 Cab 12 F15A
1942-44 Cab 13 F15A x 5
1942 cab 13 F15A with 2B1 box
1943 cab 13 F15A with 2H1 box
1943 Cab 13 C8A HUP
1944 Cab 13 C15A with 2C1 box
1943 Cletrac M2 High Speed Tractor
MkII Bren gun carrier chassis x 2
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 24-02-17, 00:43
rob love rob love is offline
carrier mech
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Shilo MB, the armpit of Canada
Posts: 7,517
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lynn Eades View Post
Aircraft engine mount???
That would have been my guess too.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 24-02-17, 01:37
Richard Farrant's Avatar
Richard Farrant Richard Farrant is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Kent, England
Posts: 3,634
Default

or radial engine mount for a tank engine (same as aircraft I guess)
__________________
Richard

1943 Bedford QLD lorry - 1941 BSA WM20 m/cycle - 1943 Daimler Scout Car Mk2
Member of MVT, IMPS, MVG of NSW, KVE and AMVCS
KVE President & KVE News Editor
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 24-02-17, 01:47
Jesse Browning Jesse Browning is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Waterloo
Posts: 366
Default

Radial engine mounts for tanks are completely different.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 24-02-17, 03:24
Luke R Luke R is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Gippsland, Vic
Posts: 289
Default Radial engine mounts

They are aircraft radial engine mounts, They look very similar to a set that I used to have out of a Beaufort bomber.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 28-02-17, 05:09
Dave Mills Dave Mills is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Seymour,Victoria, Australia
Posts: 192
Default

Thank you for the info lads, much appreciated.

I will nail down which location they came from as this may help the identification, the current owners son believes from puckapunyal between 1959 to 1961. His 82 year old mother believes out of a scrap yard in Brunswick at around the same time.

If out of Pucka i would say a Tank engine stand and if out of a Brunswick wreckers yard i would say an Aircraft engine stand.

Great to get so much input.

Dave.
__________________
1 x 1955 Austin Champ WN1(restored)
2 x 1956 Austin Champ WN1(restored)
1 x 1955 Humber 4 x 4 GS (restored)
1 x 1945 FMC 1/4 Ton Trailer (restored)
1 x 1942 Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer (restored)
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 28-02-17, 07:04
Luke R Luke R is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Gippsland, Vic
Posts: 289
Default

Dave,
I sent your photos to a friend of mine and he agrees with me that they are Beaufort/Beaufighter engine mounts as in what holds the engine to the wing.
The mounts that hold the radial engines in tanks/LVTs are completely different.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 28-02-17, 09:06
Hanno Spoelstra's Avatar
Hanno Spoelstra Hanno Spoelstra is offline
MLU Administrator
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 14,400
Default

Just to give an idea, here's a picture of the engine mount of a Lockheed Electra. Not saying your mount came off an Electra, but it shows the general layout and construction of a radial engine mount. Its function is to carry the weight of the engine and transfer the forces to the engine bulkhead which itself is fitted to the engine nacelle (part of the main wing structure). The engine and its mount are covered in fairings to improve aerodynamics.

With your restoration skills, I would not be surprised if one day you would rebuild the rest of the airframe around this mount

Name:  IMG_8228.JPG
Views: 200
Size:  59.5 KB
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 28-02-17, 14:09
maple_leaf_eh maple_leaf_eh is offline
Terry Warner
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Shouting at clouds
Posts: 3,081
Default

I tend to agree that it looks more like an aircraft engine mount than an AFV piece. The lugs and small mounting plates INSIDE the circular perimeter were the first clues. Why make a circular track for a travelling fitting, but leave obstacles?

Which aircraft is another question, but there are active warbird restorers who might need something like that for a project. Look at the tremendous investments in DH Mosquito builds over the last decade. One in New Zealand and another in British Columbia. The youtube of the pilot describing how to handle their 'Mossie' is fascinating.
__________________
Terry Warner

- 74-????? M151A2
- 70-08876 M38A1
- 53-71233 M100CDN trailer

Beware! The Green Disease walks among us!
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 28-02-17, 19:30
Richard Farrant's Avatar
Richard Farrant Richard Farrant is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Kent, England
Posts: 3,634
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by maple_leaf_eh View Post
I tend to agree that it looks more like an aircraft engine mount than an AFV piece.
As the frame in question was supposed to have come from Puckapunyal, a large army tank base, my thought was it was used in connection with tank engines, either as a transit frame or for working on the engine. It may be an aircraft engine mounting, but it could have been utilised in conjunction with tank engines while out of the vehicle.
__________________
Richard

1943 Bedford QLD lorry - 1941 BSA WM20 m/cycle - 1943 Daimler Scout Car Mk2
Member of MVT, IMPS, MVG of NSW, KVE and AMVCS
KVE President & KVE News Editor
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 28-02-17, 20:03
tankbarrell tankbarrell is offline
Adrian Barrell
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Suffolk, UK
Posts: 843
Default

The tank radial frame stays on the engine and the aircraft mount would not be much use for normal servicing.
__________________
Adrian Barrell
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 28-02-17, 20:27
Richard Farrant's Avatar
Richard Farrant Richard Farrant is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Kent, England
Posts: 3,634
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by tankbarrell View Post
The tank radial frame stays on the engine and the aircraft mount would not be much use for normal servicing.
Thanks Adrian, it was just a thought.
__________________
Richard

1943 Bedford QLD lorry - 1941 BSA WM20 m/cycle - 1943 Daimler Scout Car Mk2
Member of MVT, IMPS, MVG of NSW, KVE and AMVCS
KVE President & KVE News Editor
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 02-04-17, 06:10
tankdriver tankdriver is offline
Frank Robertson
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Memphis, TN, USA
Posts: 47
Default

It looks a lot like a Stuart turret stand.
__________________
WC 63...1942 M3 Autocar...M3A1 Diamond T...57mm Anti-Tank


Have owned...M5A1 Stuart

Have Restored...M20

President West TN Military Vehicle Collectors...MVPA Member
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Identification Required Neil Ashley The Armour Forum 15 13-01-20 10:11
A Little Help Required Barry Churcher The Sergeants' Mess 2 15-10-13 00:47
Id required Bob McNeill The Armour Forum 8 16-08-12 02:58
ID Required Bob Moseley (RIP) WW2 Military History & Equipment 1 26-09-09 18:30
ID Required Neil Ashley The Armour Forum 0 29-08-06 09:22


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 13:09.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © Maple Leaf Up, 2003-2016