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Old 03-02-06, 23:14
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I´m searching for more information and pictures of Bren LMG mounts that were mounted in vehicles. Does anyone have more information?
I already have two pictures. One of them is a Morris Light Utility truck.


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Old 04-02-06, 15:25
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Are you looking for information on the Motley (sp?) mounts specifically, or all Bren LMG mounts?
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Old 04-02-06, 16:08
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Here is another photo of the Motley mount. There are a number of variants to this rig and they were in production for several years, especially at the beginning of the war. Motleys were used on motorcycles as well as on trucks. The Armoured Train, on Canada's West coast, employed these to mount Brens in an AA role, on top of the carriages. The lack of sufficient AA guns forced the use of Brens, which in turn led to the popularity of the Motley mount. This also led to the development of the 100-round magazine.
Let me know if you want additional photos.
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Old 04-02-06, 22:06
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I´m searching information and pictures of all kinds of mounts that used brenguns. I do have some digital manuals and schema´s.
If you can send me more information and pictures, please do.

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Old 04-02-06, 22:36
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Two images of Bren vehicle mounts:

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Old 05-02-06, 00:47
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I an interested in knowing exactly how the weapon was held in the 'pole mount' on Aussie softskins. This is the mount that came up the side of the cab and bent over at the top like on the second Dodge in.

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Found a few more.
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Here you go;

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Old 05-02-06, 01:48
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I an interested in knowing exactly how the weapon was held in the 'pole mount' on Aussie softskins. Cheers
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Cliff, see this thread for a grainy pic with little detail!
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Old 23-02-06, 14:33
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What make of truck is the second one on this thread, the one in colour?? I make it a Bedford but am not sure.
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What make of truck is the second one on this thread, the one in colour?? I make it a Bedford but am not sure.
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A Bedford MW, this actual truck is one belonging to one of our club members, it is usually at Beltring, where the photo was taken.

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Old 24-02-06, 04:07
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Thanks Richard:

Helped a chap out on another forum.
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Arjan sent me some pix of Motley stuff and I haven't seen this one before. It's obviously one of the earliest versions judging by the design and it's dated 02/12/40. I cleaned the images up a bit and resized them to post here. I like the wooden seat. This would be a simple one to reproduce. It would also likely be the right one for my 1940 C15 as an AAAT truck. Then I'd just need a Bren and a Boyes.
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1940 Cab 11 C8 Wireless with 1A2 box & 11 set
1940 Cab 11 C8 cab and chassis
1940 Cab 11 C15 with 2A1 & Motley mount & Lewis gun
1940 Cab 11 F15A w/ Chev rear ends
1941 Cab 12 F15A
1942-44 Cab 13 F15A x 5
1942 cab 13 F15A with 2B1 box
1943 cab 13 F15A with 2H1 box
1943 Cab 13 C8A HUP
1944 Cab 13 C15A with 2C1 box
1943 Cletrac M2 High Speed Tractor
MkII Bren gun carrier chassis x 2

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Old 01-05-08, 22:21
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I an interested in knowing exactly how the weapon was held in the 'pole mount' on Aussie softskins. This is the mount that came up the side of the cab and bent over at the top like on the second Dodge in.
Here's some details for Cliff. There are more detailed drawings for the Gallows mount too.
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1940 Cab 11 C8 Wireless with 1A2 box & 11 set
1940 Cab 11 C8 cab and chassis
1940 Cab 11 C15 with 2A1 & Motley mount & Lewis gun
1940 Cab 11 F15A w/ Chev rear ends
1941 Cab 12 F15A
1942-44 Cab 13 F15A x 5
1942 cab 13 F15A with 2B1 box
1943 cab 13 F15A with 2H1 box
1943 Cab 13 C8A HUP
1944 Cab 13 C15A with 2C1 box
1943 Cletrac M2 High Speed Tractor
MkII Bren gun carrier chassis x 2
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Old 02-05-08, 07:29
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This is one of Arjan's Motley manuals. It took a lot of work to get the pix fixed up to post. I made it into a pdf file for myself but at the lowest resolution possible it's over a 3 mb file so I'll post the jpg images.
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Old 02-05-08, 07:38
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I only get to attach five files at a time.
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Old 02-05-08, 07:45
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I'm getting there.
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Old 02-05-08, 07:53
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The last five pages.
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Old 03-05-08, 19:25
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This Bren mount proposal is dated 1936. Note that it uses the front leg of the Bren tripod.
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Here's a pic of a well camoflaged Motley mount in the back of a CMP. No idea where or when picture was taken. Derek.
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Old 27-05-08, 06:17
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This Motley Mk V seat is on ebay for $295. I'm posting the pix for future reference.
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1940 Cab 11 C8 Wireless with 1A2 box & 11 set
1940 Cab 11 C8 cab and chassis
1940 Cab 11 C15 with 2A1 & Motley mount & Lewis gun
1940 Cab 11 F15A w/ Chev rear ends
1941 Cab 12 F15A
1942-44 Cab 13 F15A x 5
1942 cab 13 F15A with 2B1 box
1943 cab 13 F15A with 2H1 box
1943 Cab 13 C8A HUP
1944 Cab 13 C15A with 2C1 box
1943 Cletrac M2 High Speed Tractor
MkII Bren gun carrier chassis x 2
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Old 27-05-08, 06:21
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Here's the rest of the pix.
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1940 Cab 11 C8 Wireless with 1A2 box & 11 set
1940 Cab 11 C8 cab and chassis
1940 Cab 11 C15 with 2A1 & Motley mount & Lewis gun
1940 Cab 11 F15A w/ Chev rear ends
1941 Cab 12 F15A
1942-44 Cab 13 F15A x 5
1942 cab 13 F15A with 2B1 box
1943 cab 13 F15A with 2H1 box
1943 Cab 13 C8A HUP
1944 Cab 13 C15A with 2C1 box
1943 Cletrac M2 High Speed Tractor
MkII Bren gun carrier chassis x 2
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Well, I bought the Motley seat off ebay. Now I'll just have to fabricate the Bren mount. I'll go with this one for a single Bren like in the above picture of the one in the 11 Cab. I came across this bit of info on the arrangement of British outfits in 1940. This would be the 15 cwt AAAT trucks. (anti aircraft anti tank) This is the first mention I've found of how many guns they carried and is the same as what I'd assumed. These drawings are dated 1942 and they're converting to the 2 gun MK IV A setup. The one on the sidecar is the most detailed pic I've found of the MK IV. It looks like the single gun MK IV would be right for any late 1940 to 1942 AAAT. I wonder what they used for seating and storage on these trucks.

Anti-aircraft Platoon - the AA Platoon was commanded by a Platoon Sergeant Major, and included four trucks, each fitted with a single Bren gun on a 'Motley' mounting and carrying a Boys anti-tank rifle.
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1940 Cab 11 C8 Wireless with 1A2 box & 11 set
1940 Cab 11 C8 cab and chassis
1940 Cab 11 C15 with 2A1 & Motley mount & Lewis gun
1940 Cab 11 F15A w/ Chev rear ends
1941 Cab 12 F15A
1942-44 Cab 13 F15A x 5
1942 cab 13 F15A with 2B1 box
1943 cab 13 F15A with 2H1 box
1943 Cab 13 C8A HUP
1944 Cab 13 C15A with 2C1 box
1943 Cletrac M2 High Speed Tractor
MkII Bren gun carrier chassis x 2
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Old 08-06-08, 07:12
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Hi Guys

This post has been great a friend picked up what he was told was a Bren Anti Aircraft mount years ago but it was incomplete and he had no idea what make and model it was ..........now he`s getting closer its a Motley mount but its slightly different to the Mk5 shown here pics are still in the Camera at the moment

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Old 19-06-08, 05:21
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Old 21-06-08, 03:50
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David Hardway, could you post some closeups of that mount from different angles, preferably with a ruler in place to see the dimensions? That's just what I need to go with my Motley seat when it gets here. Could your friend be convinced to part with it?
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1940 Cab 11 C8 Wireless with 1A2 box & 11 set
1940 Cab 11 C8 cab and chassis
1940 Cab 11 C15 with 2A1 & Motley mount & Lewis gun
1940 Cab 11 F15A w/ Chev rear ends
1941 Cab 12 F15A
1942-44 Cab 13 F15A x 5
1942 cab 13 F15A with 2B1 box
1943 cab 13 F15A with 2H1 box
1943 Cab 13 C8A HUP
1944 Cab 13 C15A with 2C1 box
1943 Cletrac M2 High Speed Tractor
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Old 21-06-08, 05:28
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Hi David

I will ask however i was going to try myself as i have two brens and an MW Bedford i will go and take some more photos i did take 6 but it was not until they were developed i realised there was nothing there for a scale

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Old 21-06-08, 20:43
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It 's hard to tell from one picture to which mount this parts belongs. More pictures could make it easier.

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Old 23-06-08, 06:39
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A couple more

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Last ones for now next lot in camera

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