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Chevrolet 1311X3 15-cwt 4x2 GS truck
Indian Army Vehicle ID Please (original thread caption)
I found this photo while searching the Pictures Australia Website. Can any one ID the Indian Army vehicles please? It is captioned "Indian troops in Malaya during World War II". sorry I forgot to get a negative number or note which archive it came from.
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Cheers Cliff Hutchings aka MrRoo S.I.R. "and on the 8th day he made trucks so that man, made on the 7th day, had shelter when woman threw him out for the night" MrRoo says "TRUCKS ROOLE" |
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Cliff:
Looks to me like a Truck 15 CWT 4X2 GS (Indian) Chevrolet 1311X3.
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Cheers Cliff Hutchings aka MrRoo S.I.R. "and on the 8th day he made trucks so that man, made on the 7th day, had shelter when woman threw him out for the night" MrRoo says "TRUCKS ROOLE" |
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Based on the side lights on the front wings, I would lean towards 1940.
Bill
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Side view
AWM Negative Number: 045230. Caption: TROOP CARRIER, 15 CWT LORRY, CHEVROLET, 113 1/2 INCH WHEELBASE. INDIAN ARMY VERSION. LEFT REAR VIEW, REAR CANOPY NOT FITTED.
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Chevrolet 1311X3 15-cwt 4x2 GS truck
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1940 Model KC
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"Front view of an Indian Army version Chevrolet 15 cwt lorry (troop carrier) with 113.5 inch wheelbase with rear canopy." 3868164.JPG Source: https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/C46238 "AUSTRALIA. LORRIES, 15 CWT. INDIAN ARMY TYPE TROOP CARRIER 113 W.B. CHEVROLET. LEFT SIDE VIEW." 3994709.JPG Source: https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/C207879 "Left rear view of an Indian Army version Chevrolet 15 cwt lorry (troop carrier) with 113.5 inch wheelbase. The rear canopy is not fitted." 3902734.JPG Source: https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/C46237
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Hmm
Yes 1940 side lights but a 39 grill .
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1940 cab 11 C8 1940 Morris-Commercial PU 1941 Morris-Commercial CS8 1940 Chev. 15cwt GS Van ( Aust.) 1942-45 Jeep salad |
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Can you educate me about the differences between the '39 and the '40 grill? I'm learning while doing here, thanks.
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grill
The 40 model grill has less bars in the grill because of a wider trim piece on top , The 39 is basically all bars right up to the top .
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1940 cab 11 C8 1940 Morris-Commercial PU 1941 Morris-Commercial CS8 1940 Chev. 15cwt GS Van ( Aust.) 1942-45 Jeep salad |
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Thanks Hanno... if I check my own files occassionly I may find the answer quicker
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Cheers Cliff Hutchings aka MrRoo S.I.R. "and on the 8th day he made trucks so that man, made on the 7th day, had shelter when woman threw him out for the night" MrRoo says "TRUCKS ROOLE" |
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Both 1939 and 1940 models were used, see Vanderveen.
Note the small desert style windscreens! |
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I've been nosing around the British Pathé archive again. Is this a similar vehicle ?
http://img260.imageshack.us/my.php?i...9670445ri4.jpg / http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/4...0445ri4.th.jpg http://img260.imageshack.us/my.php?i...9670444pk3.jpg / http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/9...0444pk3.th.jpg http://img260.imageshack.us/my.php?i...9670446dw9.jpg / http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/9...0446dw9.th.jpg This is what actually caught my attention http://img260.imageshack.us/my.php?i...8indianuw1.jpg / http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/1...dianuw1.th.jpg |
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1940
I go with 1940 Model 3/4 ton chassis, assembled by GM India Ltd in Bombay.
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Rich:
Yes, essentially the same vehicle. David: 3/4 ton being the same as 15 CWT?? I always forget. Bill
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Hundredweights
112 lb = one hundredweight or one bag of cement, or cwt...I know!!!
so: 10 cwt = 1/2 ton 15 cwt = 3/4 ton 20 cwt = one ton A '40 3/4 tonner would be a KD model. These were all sourced from Bloomfield CKD Boxing Plant or possibly Tarrytown, New York being 1940. |
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While searching for an Indian Ford I found these two vehicles that intrigued me. First a Chevy I have never seen before:
indianfunnychev.jpg then a FAT, presumably also Indian (the stills are from a Pathe film showing Indian troops in Persia in 1941), but the cowl looks different or is it just the angle? indianfatpersia.jpg artillery tractor 1938 indianartytractor1938.jpg |
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FAT
Nuyt
The Indian FAT is a Karrier KT 4 4X4 built and equipped at Acton for the India Stores Department. It is all welded steel and the winch was vertical. Don |
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karrier-kt4-gun-tractor.jpg
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Thanks Don, the Karrier, forgot all about it
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I think the mysterious Chevrolet on hte bridge above may be an Indian version of the Australian water truck? Just guessing....
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15-cwt truck
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"Object description: Three Long Range Desert Group 30-cwt Chevrolet trucks, surrounded by desert. Label: LRDG (Long Range Desert Group) Chevrolet 30-cwt trucks, 25 May 1942." IWM E 12385.jpg IWM (E 12385)_cropped.jpg IWM (E 12385)_cropped 2.jpg Source: https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/i...ject/205196758
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Another 15-cwt
"Object description: General George Patton, C-in-C of the American 7th Army, and General Władysław Anders watching the Carpathian Lancers Regiment exercising, using a M3 Scout Car as a stand (in the background). In the foreground Polish and American officers posing together for a souvenir photograph on the top of a Chevrolet WB 30 cwt truck.. Photograph taken during General Patton's official visit to the 2nd Polish Corps at Qassasin in Egypt."
large_E_027118_1.jpg Source: https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/i...ject/205234840
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Going by Mike's description, this is a 1940 model. Note the bonnet is marked with "TOBRUK 1941" ans its registation number "395011" 95714107_1577740775740439_4399411417350930432_o.jpg
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Another at Tobruk
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"TOBRUK, LIBYA. 1941-10. NX23 MAJOR D.A. CORMACK, 2ND-IN-CHARGE HQ, 9TH AUSTRALIAN DIVISION SIGNALS STANDING BESIDE AN ARMY VEHICLE." AWM 020874 3951786.JPG Source: https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/C5227
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Beauty......
....seems to be sitting on Firestone tires with no modifications to the front fenders......
Thanks Hanno
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Chevrolet 1311X3 15-cwt 4x2 GS truck
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6 cyl., 78 bhp, 3F1R, wb 113-1/2 in., 3192 lb. Troop Carrier based on Canadian-built 1939 (and later) 1/2-ton commercial chassis. Used in Egypt and North Africa by British Indian Army and LRDG. 9.00-13 sand tyres. chevindia_BVV.jpg
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Indian Army
One more picture of the Chevrolet 1311X3 15-cwt 4x2 GS truck in use by the Indian Army:
57485501_1220639688117218_819926982136430592_o.jpg
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LRDG Pilot Car
One more picture of the Chevrolet 1311X3 15-cwt 4x2 GS truck in use by the LRDG. They received 25 of these in December 1941 and used them as so-called pilot cars:
LRDG_1311x3_2.jpg A 1940 model 1311X3 in use by a British Army convoy (not LRDG) on their way back from Kufra returning to Wadi: Mostert_0026.jpg Source: https://www.fjexpeditions.com/frameset/GJMostert.htm
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Regards, Hanno -------------------------- Last edited by Hanno Spoelstra; 25-12-22 at 21:33. Reason: edited to correct |
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