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Old 19-01-06, 06:02
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Default Flame Throwers, Fuel Tank. WASP?

I was wondering if anyone can help me figure out what exactly I have here. Bear with me , I am trying to attach some pics. I believe the fuel tank is UC WASP, but I don't know which model. I am not sure if there were many WASP variants. The flame guns are both different variations, but I think both belong to carriers. I have seen a flame unit similar to these ones in Ottawa, but even the one in the museum wasn't identical to either of these. Are there any WASP rig restorations or TM's available that would help me identify the various pieces that I have? If anyone has any info, I would appreciate it. Thanks


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Old 19-01-06, 06:56
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Here is a picture of a flame thower carrier from the Polish Institute & Sikorsky Museum of London.

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Old 19-01-06, 13:07
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I was wondering if anyone can help me figure out what exactly I have here. Bear with me , I am trying to attach some pics. I believe the fuel tank is UC WASP, but I don't know which model. I am not sure if there were many WASP variants. The flame guns are both different variations, but I think both belong to carriers. I have seen a flame unit similar to these ones in Ottawa, but even the one in the museum wasn't identical to either of these. Are there any WASP rig restorations or TM's available that would help me identify the various pieces that I have? If anyone has any info, I would appreciate it. Thanks
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#61: 423 pages FUC-03 FORD MOTOR COMPANY OF CANADA, CARRIER, UNIVERSAL Mk. I and Mk. II. Illustrated Parts Catalogue 1941-44. Reissued May '44.
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#62: 200 pages UC Universal Carrier Mk. I, Operators Maintenance Handbook, July '43, Canadian.
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#63: 290 pages UC-F1 Universal Carrier, Mk. I, Workshop Manual, Nov. '42, Canadian.
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#64: 96 pages UC-OM1 Carrier, Universal No. 2, Mk.2, Operator's Manual, September '44.
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#64A: 66Pages CAMT 7-32, Universal Carrier, Flamethrower, transportable. (IROQUOIS) Mounted in Universal Carrier. 1956 (Illustrated)
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Old 19-01-06, 14:20
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Maybe this will help, it is a thread on the WASP located elsewhere on this forum, go here

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Old 19-01-06, 18:28
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Here is a pic of the units I have. ... Hope this works. ... Ahhh a picture. Thanks for your help Geoff. Thanks guys, for your rapid responses already. These units do not look like anything I can find in the posts so far. Thanks Cliff, the fuel tank is very similar to the single one in the pic you posted. So does this make the fuel tank off a MKIIC ? ....Brock
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Old 19-01-06, 19:19
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Here is a photo of the fuel tank I have. I believe it belongs to a MK II C. Any further info would be appreciated. Thanks .....Brock
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Old 07-02-06, 03:16
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I am still looking for any info on these flame thrower units. I Think these flame guns are post war variations, but I'm not sure. Has anyone ever put together a WASP unit? Any documentation on flame gun variants? Is there any interest in these items? I have a few other pieces that belong to them; a couple of hoses and igniter coils. I was hoping to find out more details on this kit. Any thoughts on the value of these pieces? I would like to know more history on these uncommon tactical pieces. Thanks for any info or guidance you can provide.
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Old 07-02-06, 14:26
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Default Flame Guns..

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Here is a pic of the units I have. ... Hope this works. ... Ahhh a picture. Thanks for your help Geoff. Thanks guys, for your rapid responses already. These units do not look like anything I can find in the posts so far. Thanks Cliff, the fuel tank is very similar to the single one in the pic you posted. So does this make the fuel tank off a MKIIC ? ....Brock
Brock..The projectors shown are out of the Iroquois flame thrower..
These projectors mounted in the Mark l* and the Mark ll are known as the Iroquois....
These were post WWll ,and in use in the '50's with the Canadian army..A close support infantry weapon,good for 10-15 shots at max 200 Yards range...

I indicated the manuals on a previous posting.
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Old 07-02-06, 14:44
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Comparing it with the one pictured below, I think you are right.
http://dana-nield.com/vimy/images/UN...p/UNIVER22.JPG
Source: http://dana-nield.com/vimy

But as far as I can see the flame guns are different than the ones used on the Ronson or Wasp.

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Old 07-02-06, 15:36
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Brock..The projectors shown are out of the Iroquois flame thrower..
These projectors mounted in the Mark l* and the Mark ll are known as the Iroquois....
These were post WWll ,and in use in the '50's with the Canadian army..A close support infantry weapon,good for 10-15 shots at max 200 Yards range...

I indicated the manuals on a previous posting.
Flame gun..Iroquois....
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Old 07-02-06, 15:39
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Flame gun..Iroquois....
Flame gun ..Iroquois...style 2...
The tanks are the same as the WASP....
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Old 04-10-21, 15:18
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Default “Wasp”(?) Flame Thrower up for auction

https://bid.switzersauction.com/EXTR...OWER_i43174304

Someone commented: “Not a Wasp. That's an Iroquois, post WW2.”
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Old 04-10-21, 17:20
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It is dated 1953

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Old 04-10-21, 17:35
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Turnbull elevator also made the Cdn 60mm mortar in the late 50s.

One thing with Switzers Auctions lately: prices have gone up astronomically over the covid period. On top of the winning bid, you also pay a 15% premium and possibly another 15% HST, or 5% GST, depending on where you live. I suspect this one could get very high. A simple no1mk3 grenade cup recently sold for close to $2,000 on that site.
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Old 04-10-21, 18:53
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Default corrections to Switzer's description

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I have sold many tens of thousands of dollars through their shop in the past 5-7 years. I have found that the staff rely on consignees for information on unusual pieces. This is likely the case. When I see spelling mistakes or gross errors, I send them a polite correction note, and things usually get fixed. The best contact is Paul Switzer himself.

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Old 04-10-21, 20:51
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It is up to the seller and the auction house to provide accurate descriptions. And a prospective buyer should do his due diligence.

I think this is the same flame thrower as advertised above: http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/showthread.php?t=5419
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Old 27-10-21, 13:06
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Default "extremely rare, canadian no 1 mk 1 iroquois flame thrower"

For future reference. Topic merged with earlier thread.

Ref. https://bid.switzersauction.com/EXTR...OWER_i43174304

"SOLD at 2021 Oct 16 for 9,500.00CAD to qwert1985 + (1,425.00) buyer's premium + applicable fees & taxes."

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CANADIAN NO 1 MK 1 IROQUOIS FLAME THROWER. SERIAL # P95. MANUFACTURED BY TURNBULL ELEVATOR 1953. WWII AND 1950'S ISSUE, MOUNTED ON A UNIVERSAL CARRIER. COMES WITH STORAGE/TRANSIT CASE, FLAME THROWER, HOSES, MODERN SHACKLES, MOUNTING PARTS, AND A WWII FUEL TANK, A COPY OF THE EXTREMELY RARE AND VALUABLE OPERATION/INSTALLATION MANUAL. SHOWS SOME RUST, HANDLING MARKS AND FINISH WEAR. PLEASE SEE PHOTOS. VERY FEW KNOWN TO EXIST, ONE WWII EXAMPLE IS AT THE CANADIAN WAR MUSEUM, IT IS A WASP IIC, WE DON'T KNOW OF ANOTHER IROQUOIS CONFIGURATION IN NORTH AMERICA.
PICK UP ONLY CAN BE ARRANGED IN SHARON, BETWEEN MONDAY OCT 18TH - WEDNESDAY OCT 27TH. ADRRESS WILL BE GIVEN TO WINNER.

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Default Flamethrower, Transportable, CDN No.1 MK1

Found this picture of the cover of the Iroquois training manual:

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Default Iroquois Flame Thrower Documents

Besides the 1954 CAMT 7-32 there was also the 1956 Canadian Ordnance Catalogue - Section 1M - Miscellaneous Weapons - Bomb-Throwers, Flame Throwers, Mortars, Projectors and the 1954 CW-3 Canadian Ordnance Catalogue - Parts Identification List - Flamethrower, Transportable, CDN No. 1, Mk 1.

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I tried my best financially but didn't get it. I hope it ends up on here somewhere.
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Old 27-10-21, 20:14
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Where did it go? You'll have to try to find out who goes under the name "qwert1985"
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