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Old 20-04-16, 11:39
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Default M-H 'DINGO' off to Cairns.

After having my Ford Marmon-Herrington 'Dingo' on the market for a number of years I spoke to Rob Lowden from the Australian Armour & Artillery Museum in Cairns at Corowa and they have purchased it.

It is number 77212 or the 212th of 245 built in 1943. It is 98% complete, only missing the gun hatch which is about 9" X 4.5". If you have one I am sure Rob L. would be interested.

A 'B' double arrived and a crane organized to load it and off it went yesterday.

I expected a Framma crane but there was another crane in the area on Monday, so they used it, a 30tonner. A bit of an overkill,hey!

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Good luck with it Rob, I am looking forward to seeing it on display at the museum.

Regards Rick.
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Old 20-04-16, 15:11
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Another piece of the 'Aussie' armour and artillery puzzle fitted to the museum.
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Old 20-04-16, 21:26
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Better too much crane than not enough. When the wartime Sherbrooke Fusilier Regiment now Sherbrooke Hussars' Sherman Tank "Bomb" was returned from refit about 10yrs ago, she was lifted off a flatbed, then up about 30ft and over another 30ft onto a platform. Apparently the nay sayers were expecting the worst, but up and over a slick as snot on a doorknob.

Glad to hear it is going to a (hopefully) appreciative new home.
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Old 20-04-16, 22:41
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With the amount of rare austraiien vehicles there it seems to be the right place for it. I just hope it gets a proper restoration like the hetze, Panther and Ram
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Old 21-04-16, 02:20
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Rick,

Had to be quite a "bitter-sweet" moment. Great to see it go to a good home where future generations will get to see her.

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Old 21-04-16, 05:47
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Rick,

Had to be quite a "bitter-sweet" moment. Great to see it go to a good home where future generations will get to see her.

Peter

You are quite right there Peter. I had been collecting parts from all over Australia for more than 40 years but realized that I had too much on my plate and not enough time or health to do it justice. I will stick with finishing the Ford Lynx and then continue restoring my 1929 Rolls Royce 20/25hp. Safari Saloon.
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Old 22-04-16, 01:57
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You are quite right there Peter. I had been collecting parts from all over Australia for more than 40 years but realized that I had too much on my plate and not enough time or health to do it justice. I will stick with finishing the Ford Lynx and then continue restoring my 1929 Rolls Royce 20/25hp. Safari Saloon.
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Hello Rick,

Wow the RR "Shooting Saloon" is one very unique vehicle. I did a quick surf on the interwebby thingo and came up with the following article. Accessed 22nd of April 2016 from, http://www.oldwoodies.com/gallery-shootingbrakes2.htm

1929 Rolls-Royce 20/25 hp - Rick Cove's spacious Australian 'safari saloon' was rebodied in 1959 by a Sydney, Australia autobody builder - a Mr. J. Rae, and finished by Rick's father in 1961. The Rolls has traveled just 148,000 miles but was unfortunately badly damaged in 1972 in an accident. Restoration is underway and very soon, Rick hopes to have it on the road again.

It would be great to know more about what type of timber was used on the body for the coach work? I have a 1935 truck that I can only use the cabin timber as templates.

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Old 22-04-16, 02:37
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Rick,

I do like you choice of vehicles. I have request. You had posted a picture of the gear shift pattern and general information plate from your Lynx. Could I trouble you for the dimensions of this plate?

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Old 22-04-16, 06:36
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I do like you choice of vehicles. I have request. You had posted a picture of the gear shift pattern and general information plate from your Lynx. Could I trouble you for the dimensions of this plate?

Peter
Done Peter on your Lynx site.

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Old 22-04-16, 11:43
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Hello Rick,

Wow the RR "Shooting Saloon" is one very unique vehicle. I did a quick surf on the interwebby thingo and came up with the following article. Accessed 22nd of April 2016 from, http://www.oldwoodies.com/gallery-shootingbrakes2.htm

1929 Rolls-Royce 20/25 hp - Rick Cove's spacious Australian 'safari saloon' was rebodied in 1959 by a Sydney, Australia autobody builder - a Mr. J. Rae, and finished by Rick's father in 1961. The Rolls has traveled just 148,000 miles but was unfortunately badly damaged in 1972 in an accident. Restoration is underway and very soon, Rick hopes to have it on the road again.

It would be great to know more about what type of timber was used on the body for the coach work? I have a 1935 truck that I can only use the cabin timber as templates.

Kind Regards
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Well found Lionel, That info was put on the web years ago The accident was in 1974 not 1972 and I have recently located the New South Wales Registration papers which shows that a Mr. Brae not Rae was the body builder. Interestingly it was registered as a goods vehicle. Dad purchased it as I am one of 6 kids, so with Dad and Mum we needed an 8 seats and the Safari Saloon seats 9. Problem solved.


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The accident bent the chassis very badly and the car was written off. I have had the chassis professionally straightened and the crumpled front guards have been repaired. Fortunately the radiator was not damaged and I have obtained a pair of P80 Lucas headlights. Many hours have been put into it, so as soon as the Lynx is finished, it's full steam ahead.

The timber is Queensland Maple, a light but hard timber used often in furniture.

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Old 25-04-16, 04:21
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Hello Rick,

It was a big stroke of luck for you to find the registration papers that were legible and not just a clot of mould.

Thank you for identifying the timber as Queensland Maple. There is a Chevrolet 6 seater and Wayne used Tassie Oak on elsewhere on the forum. Accessed April 25 from http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...22&postcount=7
I looked at a couple of car restoration places and one for a Morgan said to use a Spotted Gum or a similar heavy hardwood. Accessed April 25th 2016 from http://www.morganownersclub.com.au/C...0Selection.pdf

My truck came from Mildura, in Victoria, so they may have used a southern variety of timber on it? I have yet to have a sample identified by Queensland Forestry (Department of Agriculture and Fisheries Forestry) to make sure what was used.

Does anyone know if the Forestry Centre in Gympie - Queensland, still have a technical section; or did it get closed down and the museum is all that is left?

I am torn between following what the Morgan Owners club recommend for coachwork or finding out what timber was used back in 1934-35 and then staying with the original species of timber. I suppose the first step would be to find out what that timber is and my checking out its availability. That is, after I start work again and finish my degree, so I can pay for my hobby = addiction

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Old 27-06-16, 12:12
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Well that didn't take long. Well done Rob and crew.

Picked up on the 19th or 20th April and on display 2 months later.

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After having my Ford Marmon-Herrington 'Dingo' on the market for a number of years I spoke to Rob Lowden from the Australian Armour & Artillery Museum in Cairns at Corowa and they have purchased it.

It is number 77212 or the 212th of 245 built in 1943. It is 98% complete, only missing the gun hatch which is about 9" X 4.5". If you have one I am sure Rob L. would be interested.

A 'B' double arrived and a crane organized to load it and off it went yesterday.

I expected a Framma crane but there was another crane in the area on Monday, so they used it, a 30tonner. A bit of an overkill,hey!

Flying Dingo
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Onto the truck she goes.

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A bit of an overkill, 30 tonner to lift 4 tons.

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Chain it down and--

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Off she goes.

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Good luck with it Rob, I am looking forward to seeing it on display at the museum.

Regards Rick.
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It is great that it is still in Australia. Too many vehicles are exported overseas.
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Old 04-07-16, 00:29
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Jan, you should know me better than that. I would be the last person to let a vehicle go overseas. As you say, it happens far too often although a steam traction engine has recently been returned to Australia from England under the movable heritage act.
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It is great that it is still in Australia. Too many vehicles are exported overseas.
As we all know, it is most often a simple matter of supply and demand: items for sale flow to where the most money can be had for it.

Australia now seems to have a collector who has the cash to spend on expensive items like German tanks. Good for you, but us in other countries have the same sentiments. While being named after a quintessential Australian animal, the Ram Kangaroo should have been denied at import as it really does not belong there

BTT: the Australian Armour & Artillery Museum has done a great and quick job on that Dingo!
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It took me almost 40 years to find all the bits for this one but ill health meant that the job was too big for me so I passed it on to the Museum where they have set it up as part of a dislpay of Australian Armour. Well done Rob L. It is No. 77212 out of 245 built.
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Old 10-07-16, 20:30
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Both the one I had (77210, ex-Tasmania) and Rick's 77212 have the flat armour plate mudguards, whereas the surviving paperwork indicates that above approx 77200, the guards were lighter sheet steel and rounded, installed in an effort to make the vehicle lighter. (Shows how much you can rely on the paperwork!!) I only ever saw one survivor with the light sheet steel round guards, and the remains of that belonged to Colin Anderson: does anyone know where that ended up?

Nice to see 77212 on display.

That's at least two on display now: 77160 (https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/REL23826/ ) at the Australian War Memorial and 77212 in Cairns. I think the Merredin Military Museum in WA also have one, but I'm not sure how far they have progressed with it. That museum generously loaned me the Bren magazine rack many years ago which I had copied for both mine and the AWM examples.

77210 ended up in Qld: I sold it only partially restored not long before we moved to the USA. Like Rick, I'd been collecting 'bits' for years, including all the fitout items such as the spare vision blocks, No.19 Mk2(Aust) wireless, AFV gas masks, flare pistol & holster, Bren mags, great coats, blankets, POL cans, pioneer tools, and so on.

The Cairns museum appear to have a way to go yet to complete the external fitout, which I hope they will do soon: a vehicle looks so much more 'complete' with its issued 'kit' stowed in the right spots.

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