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I noticed on a forum recently, a chap in Canada is selling his WW2 Jeep. Main reason given was the problem driving an old , slow vehicle in modern busy traffic.
Just my observations. The amount of cars/traffic on the roads around here has gone up exponentially in the past few years. Driving an older slower vehicle around has become a nightmare to endure, rather than being a enjoyable outing. Had a fatality just down the road here a few months back , a windy narrow rural road and a 4X4 and inexperienced drivers. I drove a series 1 Land Rover into the nearest large town twice, I was a nervous wreck battling huge trucks and fast cars on a quiet 'back road'. The Rover now sits unused.
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On secondary back road it is not to bad.....lots of rural folks will actually wave at you....... but in busy traffic it is gruesome...... even with the turn signals flashing you get passed on the left just as you begin your left turn.....and now that I have installed the canvass back my field of vision is reduced by 50%.....at least when I was driving the C15a as a roadster without a steel roof and canvass I could see around and see the idiot about to pass me....... I may have to limit my city driving with the canvass to special events or very rural areas........
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This is definitely a growing problem in the UK
Driving on A roads and dual carriageway can be pretty dicey - particularly if the weather turns wet and reduces visibility further. A big risk is HGVs just not seeing you there and coming up on you too quickly. If I drive a vehicle any distance it will be one of my Jeeps and I've recently adopted an idea from a friend and fitted a removable Orange warning light, using one of the bolts on the spare wheel. It's not a magic cure but it hopefully attracts other drivers attention so that they spot you there at least. You just unbolt t once you get to your destination/event.
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Those of you who know me are aware of my strong opinions. I am well known for saying out loud what I feel, without a filter. In Ontario I write for our newsletter and this piece written three years ago echoes the sentiments already stated but I fell it is worth saying again for other further afield.
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A few thoughts come to mind after reading Robin's piece. And we know each other quite well, so his voice is clearly in my head now!
I tend to drive my HMV on secondary roads where the speed limit is 80 kph, and unless absolutely necessary, avoid higher speed limit roads. Not for road safety but because I don't want to be the slow poke at the head of long column of frustrated drivers expecting to go faster. I have an SMV triangle for my spare tire, as I also have a high-visibility vest to drape over the jerry can. The intent is to be noticed by other drivers. I also have an SMV triangle on my galvanized steel utility trailer, because when towing it, I know the top speed will be at the posted limit for controllability. We know HMVs on the road are a spectacle for others on the road, and they gawk. In the military I used to warn drivers they had to drive their 2 1/2-t truck with all its behaviours and remember to think for the person in their 4-door rattletrap car. There are always stories of drivers spearing their windshields while fixating on the muzzle of a towed 105-mm gun moving from one site to another. Bob rightly mentions visibility inside the cab and especially with RHD vehicles. Other than beacons lights or illuminated placards, how else are approved road users expected to warn other drivers to share the road?
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All valid points! Next to obvious technical upgrades - see e.g. Streetable CMP truck - one needs to adjust driving habits and style.
Personally I find a Jeep too small to drive onto the main (high)ways, a 3/4-ton truck has much more presence on the road, even if driving slower than most traffic. Having said that, I recall a GMC DUKW was involved in an accident in the UK many years ago. A large car driving at speed hit it from behind, flipping over the DUKW because of its undercut hull shape, and people got killed...
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I should mention that 'implements of husbandry' signage isn't necessarily a free-pass to do anything on the road. John Grainger and I were moving two vehicles from his yard to an event. Maybe it was Mike Calnan's Canada Day parade? Him in his Iltis, and me following in a diesel 5/4t or CUCV. Head lights on, as is my driving custom. We were moving together but not in close tandem, and approached a wagon piled high with hay bales. It pulled over to the shoulder, and John passed. As I was approaching to pass, the hay wagon pulled across in front of me into an entrance! I locked up the brakes, smoked the tires, even momentarily contemplated taking the ditch! Anything to avoid a collision. I was pleased to avoid damaging someone else's carefully maintained HMV.
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I don’t really know what to say...
I’m an active member of a WW2 Jeep club here in Australia and although I don’t currently drive one (At 6’6 and 140 kg I’m building one with custom features) I do travel a fair bit in them I’m not aware of any actual issues which would cause any of our members to give up driving their Jeeps rain, Hail or shine through hundreds or even thousands of miles of public roads. As long as one is aware of the vehicles’s limitations and is a diligent and defensive driver accidents are rare. Of course there are near misses from other less skilled or less caring drivers, but I get that even in my modern Toyota Landcruiser. Just my thoughts but I do find it sad to think of enthusiasts giving up on their belived vehicles our wonderful hobby out of fear of the unknown. ‘Drive them Jeeps’ Cheers Phill
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When I drive my GPW I have a red flashing light on the spare tire It is the type that bicycles use. It is an LED light and very bright and I checked with local law and its legal.
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Just be aware that it is illegal to display the slow moving vehicle triangle on a vehicle that is capable of a sustained speed of more than 40 kph. When I was still working one of our grass cutting crews was inspected on the roadside. The commercial riding mower was on the trailer with an SMV triangle and the MTO inspector wanted the sign removed or covered so it wasn’t visible. The inspector claimed that because the slow moving sign was visible it applies to the truck and trailer also. The SMV sign was a decal on the mower and not removable, so the operator unloaded the mower and loaded it the other way round onto the trailer.
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This become a problem for vehicles that are legal on the roads, can travel faster than 40-kph, but not at the maximum speed limit. The in-between solution seems to be a flashing red or yellow light to warn approaching drivers without breaking too many highway traffic act rules.
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Paul, the situation you mention is very common and MTO inspectors are very hot on that one, some cops are also but it varies. Having worked in the agricultural industry it was a common problem when switching the prime mover for pieces of farm equipment AKA Implements of Husbandry. I agree with their enforcement and the arresting of drift in their usage. We moved spreaders between farms as they were owned by the Ag / Chem suppliers and drawn loaded by tractors but we shuttled them between jobs using pick ups. As a farm we were a commercial business and our pick ups were run under the CVOR program and fines are possible for both the drivers and the company. So displaying an SMV sign and traveling at more than 40 kph was a challenge. We used 2 inch wide rolls of masking tape to obscure the SMV sign that was bolted to the spreader. That was acceptable and a pragmatic solution. To all of you, the rules of the road are there for our joint safety. Our common sense should also aide us in making good decisions. Yes, this is a hobby horse for me,
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I commute 200 km every day to work and back on the 401, the world’s busiest highway. (Wikepedia) I travel at 120 km and the speed limit is 100 km for ALL lanes. I travel in the right lane predominately as the speed in the center lane is 130kph and the hammer lane is 140. There are accidents galore and you are not safe. People drive so erratic everywhere now it is unbelievable. I make a few extra bucks when the combines go down my rural road and take up the whole driving surface. That’s when the citidiots try to sqeeeeze past and end up in the ditch. I get to tow them out with my tractor. I have been stopped twice by the police for having flashing yellow lights. Once with the tow truck with a car on the back but not at an accident and once with my M1010. I was a visual distraction apparently. I was told to shut those lights off. After all that I guess there is no easy answer. Are you willing to take a chance? Les Fisher drives his nice stock Dodge Command Car on the 401 and the toll 407 regularly and other than the odd middle finger has no problems.
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I drive the Iltis now primarily in the rural area. many of the tertiary roads are generally traffic free, although sometimes on Hwy 15..where speeds are generally around 90-100. To town is about 40km. However, for various reasons, I've only put a total of less than 300km year on the iltis for the past several years.
In terms of agri-vehicles, there are many on the secondary hwy as its a very agri region, and now these are mostly much much bigger than they were a few decades ago. Compare your average tractor now, to say a Ford 9n. From what i've seen they are about 50% half off the road, and 50% of the time full on the road. People tend to not get too frustrated..perhaps because they are from the rural area and not so much city types? I must say it is tremendously enjoyable on a nice day to dawdle along about 70-kmh on a quiet back road from town to town, or to hook up the trailer and collect a load of firewood about 40km round trip. Haven't had the Iltis out on the 401 in many years, but even the big rigs do about 11- 115, and that's really the top I want to drive the Iltis. In terms of a rant, the story of police pointing out potential infractions and hefty fines seems to be getting more common as I've heard other tales of people being pulled over for infractions that would be 100% "normal' just a few years ago. Either the police infraction quota has been increased, or more and more restrictive laws are being quietly passed creating just more bother. Is it a case of being 'reasonably' safe and responsible or excessive restriction? How many remember just a couple years ago Quebec wanted to ban all HMVs, then backed off but limited them to posted 70kmh roads, then thankfully to the efforts of a few Qc collectors, this was repealed...whew.
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