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Re coring radiators...
Anyone know of a good value firm who can re core my radiator ? It's absolutely riddled with holes ! I am also after the older style sprung cap for it so any help would be appreciated.... I take it this rad is an old truck rad rather than a carrier one ?
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is mos redintegro __5th Div___46th Div__ 1942 Ford Universal Carrier No.3 MkI* Lower Hull No. 10131 War Department CT54508 (SOLD) 1944 Ford Universal Carrier MkII* (under restoration). 1944 Morris C8 radio body (under restoration). |
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Are the new aluminium ones any good?
I constantly see them advertised on ebay, and have wondered if they were worth considering!
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Ford CMP, 115" WB,1942 (Under Restoration...still) Medium sized, half fake, artillery piece project. (The 1/4 Pounder) |
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I rebuilt a 12 cab Ford about 16 years ago and had to have the rad re-done.
The only salvageable parts were the tanks incl the drain valves. The company had to build a custom header to match the shape of the tank with the radiused bit to accomodate the fan clearance. The original was I believe what was called a 4 and one half, that being that there were 4 and and half rows of cooling tubes. The outside row is tapered on the outside, which was un-doable. The rad shop opted for a more modern larger type tube which offered better cooling. The rad shop told me to never come back...
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The aluminium cores are more efficient for cooling but they usually have a shorter lifespan. They also require require you to have corrosion inhibitor in the coolant, which is not necessary in the copper/brass radiators (although worthwhile).
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Re coring radiators
I took the rad that came with my carrier to the local rad shop.
They quoted me $800.00! I found another Rad My complete engine and transmission was only $700.00
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Roberta Jayne Melville CD II QJ MK I * universal carrier 1942 WLC Harley under restoration 1957 M38A1 jeep R.E.L. optical equipment Military manuals Field phones MK II 19 set (needs work) 4 MK III W-19 sets AN/PRC-9 CPRC-26 WS-29 componets WS-38 AFV WS-38 MK III WS-48 with generator WS-58 MK I MK V heliograph |
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Rich, your radiator is not a carrier radiator. It is from a car or light truck.
Your top tank spigots should curve out and down. It is also important that you have the correct bottom spigots (they can come from the bottom tank at 3 different levels) The top mount is basically flat (not to accept stay rods) If you are going to have one built, there are some advantages. You can have one built that will cope with a higher pressure. You can have a neck fitted to take a modern pressure cap (try finding a good original) You can have a more efficient rad. A modern neck and cap is much easier to use than the original (though not original. if you do spend the $$$($) carefully inspect your fan and fan extension mount stud. I have heard from more than one person who has suffered acute trauma in the fan and radiator department.
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Bluebell Carrier Armoured O.P. No1 Mk3 W. T84991 Carrier Bren No2.Mk.I. NewZealand Railways. NZR.6. Dodge WC55. 37mm Gun Motor Carriage M6 Jeep Mb #135668 So many questions.... Last edited by Lynn Eades; 30-04-14 at 13:10. |
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I am looking to have one made out of Ally.. Just waiting to get the quote back
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is mos redintegro __5th Div___46th Div__ 1942 Ford Universal Carrier No.3 MkI* Lower Hull No. 10131 War Department CT54508 (SOLD) 1944 Ford Universal Carrier MkII* (under restoration). 1944 Morris C8 radio body (under restoration). |
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I think I paid $500 to $600 to have mine rebuilt custom way back so $800 is probably current.
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Rich, here's a pic of one.
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Bluebell Carrier Armoured O.P. No1 Mk3 W. T84991 Carrier Bren No2.Mk.I. NewZealand Railways. NZR.6. Dodge WC55. 37mm Gun Motor Carriage M6 Jeep Mb #135668 So many questions.... |
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Man those rads are works of art. I love just looking at the curves and lines
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Andrew
Precisely whys rad shop told me to go away and never come back! There is a ton of work to rebuild one of these.
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3RD Echelon Wksp 1968 M274A5 Mule Baifield USMC 1966 M274A2 Mule BMY USMC 1958 M274 Mule Willys US Army 1970 M38A1 CDN3 70-08715 1 CSR 1981 MANAC 3/4T CDN trailer 1943 Converto Airborne Trailer 1983 M1009 CUCV RT-524, PRC-77s, and trucks and stuff and more stuff and and....... OMVA, MVPA, G503, Steel Soldiers |
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I always have the rad recorded on any rebuild I do . The carrier rads are normally Ł500 with about a 3 day turn around .
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Shaun Hindle Morris C8 Ford GPW jeep 1945 Morris 1000 (ex mil) SAS LSV Harley Davidson MT 350 motor cycle Universal carrier MK 1*1943 Ronson (under restoration) Universal carrier MK 2* 1944 (Puddle Jumper HSK 345) Ferret MK 1/1 1956 Ferret MK 2/4 1958 CVR(T) Scorpion 432 MK2 Daimler MK1 armoured car 1943 (winner best wheeled armour W&P show 2011) Daimler Dingo MK2 1944 (awaiting restoration, aquired 11/12/2011) Fordson WOT 3 D 1940 (awaiting restoration ) |
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Shaun, who did yours for you ?
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is mos redintegro __5th Div___46th Div__ 1942 Ford Universal Carrier No.3 MkI* Lower Hull No. 10131 War Department CT54508 (SOLD) 1944 Ford Universal Carrier MkII* (under restoration). 1944 Morris C8 radio body (under restoration). |
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radiator variations
So Lynn
What is the difference between an LP2 radiator and a UC apart from the filler cap details? (I know the Ford CMP truck Radiators are similar except for the bottom outlets) Rob |
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Hi Rob, The LP2 (and 2a) have the bottom spigots coming from the corner of the bottom tank (they are the middle option, not from the bottom or the back of the bottom tank. As you can see, the riveted carriers have the spigots coming from the rear of the tank.
The LP2 uses the separate pressed, commercial fan shroud, whereas the riveted carriers have an air dam as part of the side plates, which are notched to fit around the lower engine cover frame rails. They have been cut from the radiator in the pics I posted. The fan shroud for these carriers is a three piece carrier specific shroud ( in addition to the pieces inside the forward engine bed rails) The LP2 has short straight top spigots while the other carriers have the curved down ones. As far as I know the LP2s all have the tropical radiators (with the extra part row of tubes at the front) I think the riveted carriers can be either or. The riveted carriers have a bellows type pressure cap (any one got a spare?) while the Australasian carriers have an adjustable pressure valve in the overflow tube. I cannot recall the details of the LP2 top mount, but the Northern hemisphere ones are flat with a slight downward bend where they bolt to a fabricated top mount. I would have guessed that you knew all of this (and more than I do on the LP2 type )
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Hi Lynn, what about this one? Could be correct for the Mk.III?
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Petr, I have no idea! Never seen that type before. Does it carry a part number on that plate on the l/h side?
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Bluebell Carrier Armoured O.P. No1 Mk3 W. T84991 Carrier Bren No2.Mk.I. NewZealand Railways. NZR.6. Dodge WC55. 37mm Gun Motor Carriage M6 Jeep Mb #135668 So many questions.... |
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Wise move, even more so in Australian climate.
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On the back side there is a copper slider bar (upside down) marked "Chausson Garantie No. 1773306". Chausson is a french automotive company, right? So, another mystery part on my carrier
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I have found a company that makes nice ally rads but the header tank is different in that it's thinner and does not have the over hang with the indent for the fan... They are three core high performance type affairs but not sure if the fan will fit without striking the hoses...
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is mos redintegro __5th Div___46th Div__ 1942 Ford Universal Carrier No.3 MkI* Lower Hull No. 10131 War Department CT54508 (SOLD) 1944 Ford Universal Carrier MkII* (under restoration). 1944 Morris C8 radio body (under restoration). |
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Richie , I had mine rebuilt by Express radiators . They have done many rads for me . They can do most jobs including filler necks .
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Shaun Hindle Morris C8 Ford GPW jeep 1945 Morris 1000 (ex mil) SAS LSV Harley Davidson MT 350 motor cycle Universal carrier MK 1*1943 Ronson (under restoration) Universal carrier MK 2* 1944 (Puddle Jumper HSK 345) Ferret MK 1/1 1956 Ferret MK 2/4 1958 CVR(T) Scorpion 432 MK2 Daimler MK1 armoured car 1943 (winner best wheeled armour W&P show 2011) Daimler Dingo MK2 1944 (awaiting restoration, aquired 11/12/2011) Fordson WOT 3 D 1940 (awaiting restoration ) |
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Do they just put a new core in and keep your header tanks, or is it a full new job ?
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is mos redintegro __5th Div___46th Div__ 1942 Ford Universal Carrier No.3 MkI* Lower Hull No. 10131 War Department CT54508 (SOLD) 1944 Ford Universal Carrier MkII* (under restoration). 1944 Morris C8 radio body (under restoration). |
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Just a new core , kept the original top and bottom tanks
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Shaun Hindle Morris C8 Ford GPW jeep 1945 Morris 1000 (ex mil) SAS LSV Harley Davidson MT 350 motor cycle Universal carrier MK 1*1943 Ronson (under restoration) Universal carrier MK 2* 1944 (Puddle Jumper HSK 345) Ferret MK 1/1 1956 Ferret MK 2/4 1958 CVR(T) Scorpion 432 MK2 Daimler MK1 armoured car 1943 (winner best wheeled armour W&P show 2011) Daimler Dingo MK2 1944 (awaiting restoration, aquired 11/12/2011) Fordson WOT 3 D 1940 (awaiting restoration ) |
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Cheers for that Lynn,
I haven't looked closely at UC radiators as they are usually hidden behind the engine covers, and I rarely drive them.
The LP2 top mounts are a pair of rods bolted to the upper side plates of the radiator and fitted with nuts each side of holes through the bulkhead. You will be back in NZ before I need to fit a radiator in the UC1* |
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Judging by the filler neck I'd say Matford truck, perhaps brought to Czechoslovakia by the Wehrmacht. Someone may want this radiator so it would be worth putting on ebay. http://www.german.o5m6.de/matford.html
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For the northern guys in cooler climates, Rob's photo shows the tropical core (as Chris V. said, "four and a half") I think these cores are also used in CMP Ford trucks? While I'm being unsure, I think the trucks have the bottom spigots exiting from the bottom of the bottom tank.
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Another possibility would be post-war Simca truck, which probably retained the angled filler neck. Simca took over Matford after the war and continued producing flatheads until the '60s, for the Vedette and for their trucks.
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Beauty is certainly in the eye of the beholder!
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Bluebell Carrier Armoured O.P. No1 Mk3 W. T84991 Carrier Bren No2.Mk.I. NewZealand Railways. NZR.6. Dodge WC55. 37mm Gun Motor Carriage M6 Jeep Mb #135668 So many questions.... |
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Yes, could be quite possibly Matford truck! Thanks for this!
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Right I have a company making me a new rad, can someone measure the top inlets on a Can/Brit carrier and tell me how far they stick out before bending down.... My originals were chopped so have no reference
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is mos redintegro __5th Div___46th Div__ 1942 Ford Universal Carrier No.3 MkI* Lower Hull No. 10131 War Department CT54508 (SOLD) 1944 Ford Universal Carrier MkII* (under restoration). 1944 Morris C8 radio body (under restoration). |
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