MLU FORUM  

Go Back   MLU FORUM > 'B' ECHELON > The Sergeants' Mess

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 13-01-19, 18:20
Jonathan Moore's Avatar
Jonathan Moore Jonathan Moore is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: mid wales britain
Posts: 505
Default Scarey if you own Armour in the EU

This is taken from a thread on another web site, it only applies to Germany at the moment but apparently it will become an EU law.

Quote:
"It is a new regulation with the War Weapon Control Law (Kriegswaffen Kontrollgesetz).

If you have a motor vehicle, that is armored and fell under the war weapon law, you have to register it and ask for permission to own it. No matter it is deactivated cut armor, or not in driving condition.

You are not allowed to drive it or export it. Only on your own property.

Storage is only allowed when you have a fence or a closed building around it.

You are not allowed to let children under 18 access to the vehicle.

Every Armored vehicle, that is closed around the driver, and on the top of the driver fell under the war weapon law (tanks).

If the police can simply shoot on the driver with normal ammunition, it is not under the law. Battle Tanks and Armored Self Propelled Howitzers are now completely forbidden, and you have to fill concrete into the engine compartment if you want to keep No driving allowed at all."
All this comes from the official German website.
__________________
1950 Land Rover series 1
1967 Land Rover series 2A LWB
1986 Land Rover series 3 SWB
1938 DKW SB200
1944 DKW NZ350-1
1967 Ural K750 sidecar outfit
1944 VW Kubelwagen KDF82
1942 Steyr 1500A
1944 Morris C8A
1943 Chevrolet CMP8A HUP?
194? Bedford QL
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 13-01-19, 21:13
Bruce Parker (RIP) Bruce Parker (RIP) is offline
GM Fox I
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: SW Ontario, Canada
Posts: 2,606
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonathan Moore View Post
This is taken from a thread on another web site, it only applies to Germany at the moment but apparently it will become an EU law.



All this comes from the official German website.
It's one of two things. Either these lawmakers know there is a real threat of these being used for mass terrorist destruction they aren't telling us about, or they are complete idiots. The no kids under 18 part makes historic vehicles sound almost like porn that will corrupt children if they so much as set eyes on one.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 14-01-19, 00:29
Mike Cecil Mike Cecil is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Cody, Wyoming, USA
Posts: 2,365
Default

If this becomes EU law, maybe BREXIT is happening just in time for the collectors/owners in the UK?

So 'Tanks in Mons', MV gatherings for D-Day celebrations that include anything with armour, etc will become a thing of the past?

Mike
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 14-01-19, 02:47
Bruce Parker (RIP) Bruce Parker (RIP) is offline
GM Fox I
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: SW Ontario, Canada
Posts: 2,606
Default

Pardon me turning this political, but what's up with making legal gun owners and those who spend a zillion hours and tons of resources restoring 75 year old vehicles (that barely run reliably on a good day and you can't get ammo for even if you wanted to) the target of silly laws instead of going after the gangs and terrorists who actually hurt people??????

Happy Brexit. I fear for Canadians who's current government wants to take us down the draconian EU/UN path.

Good point about the dozer Robert. I think taking a modern piece of equipment and welding on some plate makes way more sense than spending a decade finding, researching and rebuilding a historic MV, that is if you are a terrorist. But no, fill the engine compartment of a WW2 tank with concrete and the world will be safe.

Last edited by Bruce Parker (RIP); 14-01-19 at 02:54.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 14-01-19, 04:30
rob love rob love is offline
carrier mech
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Shilo MB, the armpit of Canada
Posts: 7,517
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruce Parker View Post
Pardon me turning this political, but what's up with making legal gun owners and those who spend a zillion hours and tons of resources restoring 75 year old vehicles (that barely run reliably on a good day and you can't get ammo for even if you wanted to) the target of silly laws instead of going after the gangs and terrorists who actually hurt people??????

Because if there is one thing that Hollywood has taught us, it is that tanks are unstoppable, can smash through walls, jump bridges and will actually sideslip as you do high speed cornering. Have you not watched James Bond in Golden Eye?
Quote:
After being framed for the murder of Russian Defence Minister Dmitri Mishkin by General Ourumov, soldiers chase the fleeing James Bond into a munitions-filled courtyard. In an attempt to pursue Ourumov and the captive Natalya Simonova, 007 steals a Russian T-55 tank and chases after the General's car, destroying much of St. Petersburg in the process. After evading the Russian authorities, Bond finally tracks the pair to a train yard where Ourumov and Natalya board Alec Trevelyan's Soviet Missile Train. Unable to stop them, 007 intercepts the train further down the tracks at the mouth of a tunnel and uses the tank to derail the train; destroying the T-55 in the process.
Surely nobody needs this level of potential destruction. And it is only right that the owners must fully secure it to prevent James Bond wannabees from repeating these scenes.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 14-01-19, 04:50
Lynn Eades Lynn Eades is offline
Bluebell
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Tauranga, New Zealand
Posts: 5,534
Default

I'd like to mention Nazism, but my wife said "Dont!"
__________________
Bluebell

Carrier Armoured O.P. No1 Mk3 W. T84991
Carrier Bren No2.Mk.I. NewZealand Railways. NZR.6.
Dodge WC55. 37mm Gun Motor Carriage M6
Jeep Mb #135668
So many questions....
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 14-01-19, 05:00
Bruce Parker (RIP) Bruce Parker (RIP) is offline
GM Fox I
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: SW Ontario, Canada
Posts: 2,606
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lynn Eades View Post
I'd like to mention Nazism, but my wife said "Dont!"
Wifes are good. Wifes are smart. Wifes must be obeyed.

Wifes control your life but I'm told...and therefore believe...that is a good, good thing.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 14-01-19, 08:33
Tony Smith's Avatar
Tony Smith Tony Smith is offline
No1, Mk 2** (I'm back!)
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Lithgow, NSW, Australia
Posts: 5,042
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lynn Eades View Post
I'd like to mention Nazism, but my wife said "Dont!"
I thought that was Basil Fawlty's Wife that said that?
__________________
You can help Keep Mapleleafup Up! See Here how you can help, and why you should!
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 14-01-19, 09:58
Lynn Eades Lynn Eades is offline
Bluebell
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Tauranga, New Zealand
Posts: 5,534
Default

Bruce we are both the same.
Tony, you mean Bazzzzil! from flowery twats?
I wonder if Manuel ended up with any permanent neck problems from being hit on the head?
Great comedy!
I digress........
__________________
Bluebell

Carrier Armoured O.P. No1 Mk3 W. T84991
Carrier Bren No2.Mk.I. NewZealand Railways. NZR.6.
Dodge WC55. 37mm Gun Motor Carriage M6
Jeep Mb #135668
So many questions....
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 14-01-19, 11:35
Tim Bell's Avatar
Tim Bell Tim Bell is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Tamar Valley, Cornwall
Posts: 751
Default

And yet... this company in Germany have Armoured vehicles for sale...

https://www.panzer-handel.de/
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 14-01-19, 20:04
Jonathan Moore's Avatar
Jonathan Moore Jonathan Moore is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: mid wales britain
Posts: 505
Default

Someone kindly sent me a link, its all in German which I cant understand. if you scroll down about half way there is a list of forbidden items. I have google translated bits and it would seem that everything worth having is banned but you are allowed to breath.



https://www.bgbl.de/xaver/bgbl/start..._1547491088119

§4

Verbote

(1) Kindem und Jugendlichen ist der Umgang mit

unbrauchbar gemachten Kriegswaffen verboten.

(2) Der Umgang mit einer fahrfähigen unbrauchbar

gemachten Kriegswaffe der Nummer 24 der Kriegswaffenliste

oder mit einer fahrfähigen unbrauchbar gemachten

Panzerhaubitze der Nummer 31 der Kriegswaffenliste

ist verboten.

(3) Es ist verboten,

1. eine unbrauchbar gemachte Kriegswaffe der Nummern

29, 30, 37 oder 46 der Kriegswaffenliste für

Dritte erkennbar zu führen oder

2. mit einer fahrfähigen unbrauchbar gemachten

Kriegswaffe der Nummern 25 bis 28, 31 - ausgenommen

fahrfähige unbrauchbar gemachte Panzerhaubitzen

-und 33 der Kriegswaffenliste umzugehen.

Satz 1 Nummer 1 gilt nicht für die Verwendung bei Filmoder

Fernsehaufnahmen oder Theateraufführungen.

(4) Die zuständige Behörde kann im Einzelfall eine

Ausnahme von den Verboten der Absätze 1 bis 3

genehmigen, wenn besondere Gründe vor1iegen und

öffentliche Interessen nicht entgegenstehen.



These are the now forbidden items:


Quote:

IV. Kampffahrzeuge
24.Kampfpanzer
25.sonstige gepanzerte Kampffahrzeuge einschließlich der gepanzerten kampfunterstützenden Fahrzeuge
26.Spezialfahrzeuge aller Art, die ausschließlich für den Einsatz der Waffen der Nummern 1 bis 6 entwickelt sind
27.Fahrgestelle für die Waffen der Nummern 24 und 25
28.Türme für Kampfpanzer
V. Rohrwaffen

29.a)Maschinengewehre, ausgenommen solche mit Wasserkühlung,
b)Maschinenpistolen, ausgenommen solche, die als Modell vor dem 2. September 1945 bei einer militärischen Streitkraft eingeführt worden sind,
c)vollautomatische Gewehre, ausgenommen solche, die als Modell vor dem 2. September 1945 bei einer militärischen Streitkraft eingeführt worden sind,
d)halbautomatische Gewehre mit Ausnahme derjenigen, die als Modell vor dem 2. September 1945 bei einer militärischen Streitkraft eingeführt worden sind, und der Jagd- und Sportgewehre

30.Granatmaschinenwaffen, Granatgewehre, Granatpistolen
31.Kanonen, Haubitzen, Mörser jeder Art
32.Maschinenkanonen
33.gepanzerte Selbstfahrlafetten für die Waffen der Nummern 31 und 32
34.Rohre für die Waffen der Nummern 29, 31 und 32
35.Verschlüsse für die Waffen der Nummern 29, 31 und 32
36.Trommeln für Maschinenkanonen

VI.Leichte Panzerabwehrwaffen, Flammenwerfer, Minenleg- und Minenwurfsysteme

37.rückstoßarme, ungelenkte, tragbare Panzerabwehrwaffen
38.Flammenwerfer
39.Minenleg- und Minenwurfsysteme für Landminen

VII. Torpedos, Minen, Bomben, eigenständige Munition

40.Torpedos
41.Torpedos ohne Gefechtskopf (Sprengstoffteil)
42.Rumpftorpedos (Torpedos ohne Gefechtskopf - Sprengstoffteil - und ohne Zielsuchkopf)
43.Minen aller Art
44.Bomben aller Art einschließlich der Wasserbomben
45.Handflammpatronen
46.Handgranaten
47.Pioniersprengkörper, Hohl- und Haftladungen sowie sprengtechnische Minenräummittel
48.Sprengladungen für die Waffen der Nummer 43
__________________
1950 Land Rover series 1
1967 Land Rover series 2A LWB
1986 Land Rover series 3 SWB
1938 DKW SB200
1944 DKW NZ350-1
1967 Ural K750 sidecar outfit
1944 VW Kubelwagen KDF82
1942 Steyr 1500A
1944 Morris C8A
1943 Chevrolet CMP8A HUP?
194? Bedford QL
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
I'm the new guy in armour! Harry Moon The Armour Forum 5 18-12-18 05:13
Markings on armour stephen crowhurst The Carrier Forum 6 27-06-14 20:56
Armour i.d. David_Hayward (RIP) The Armour Forum 8 14-09-07 11:27
Bearyy scarey Vets Dottir 2nd The Sergeants' Mess 3 08-07-07 19:53
German armour Col Tigwell The Armour Forum 0 26-06-07 19:13


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 07:00.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © Maple Leaf Up, 2003-2016