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Old 13-06-12, 02:57
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Default Canadian 180-gal 20-cwt water trailer info

Gents I'm looking to complie some info on this trailer. I plan a 1/35 master for release ASAP and need all I can find. I have a few pictures off this site and from Greggs' book but could use some shots of the set up of the filters and pumps on the front and back. The makeup of the frame overall under the tank would help as well. Oh heck whatever I can get is a big help.

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Old 04-07-12, 08:48
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Check out this link to my bowser restoration http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...ad.php?t=18463
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Old 18-10-12, 23:31
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Here's a Canadian water trailer still in daily use and guarded by a huge woolly . . . erm . . . cow?!?
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Old 19-09-13, 20:36
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Just got this on the weekend.

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Old 19-09-13, 21:57
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Just got this on the weekend.
Very nice looks like a Canadian model with 16" wheels ?
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1940 15cwt 180 Gallon Water Bowser trailer.
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Old 20-09-13, 19:24
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yes 16" wheels. 1942, tools, water cans, tool bag, original manual etc
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Old 04-10-13, 22:05
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Wow, very nice to see a complete bowser. Please post more pictures, especially the filter layout. Higher resolution would be also nice.
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Old 04-10-13, 23:42
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Sean, the Museum at CFB Bordern has one and one of our own here on MLU has my old one nearby. I will send you a PM
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Old 11-04-17, 21:27
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This is my canadian water trailer . Still looking for the pumps , and a pattern for the canvas.
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Old 12-04-17, 17:13
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Very nice man !

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Old 12-04-17, 18:09
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This is my canadian water trailer . Still looking for the pumps , and a pattern for the canvas.
Very nice Maurice
Hopefully my British 180 gallon large wheel bowser will be finished this year after about 5 years & it is complete with both pump & filters but unfortunately the last spare pump I have is ear marked for a guy who is making me 2 spare replica filters.
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1936 Compressor Trailer (RAF)
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1940 15cwt 180 Gallon Water Bowser trailer.
1942 1 Ton 7KW Generator Trailer.
1942 1 Ton GS Trailers X2
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Old 12-04-17, 21:24
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Thanks , at first I had a copy box on the front , but walked into a real one years later , tires are still the original ones , and hold air , if you go to the earlier in this thread , you see the official wartime picture , and it has the same make and model tires on it , but I never came across a picture with a trailer with the canvas on . actually it looks odd with these 700x20 tires , the 900x16 fill the mudguards better.
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Old 17-01-21, 14:44
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Some AEDB and other docs found on the net:

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Old 17-01-21, 14:45
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A Canadian 15-cwt water trailer survivor at the Georgina Military Museum in Georgina, Ontario, Canada.

It was built by Dominion Truck Equipment in 1944.

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Old 17-01-21, 21:57
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Hello Ian and Maurice,

I am planning to build a 1:35 model of this water trailer.
Would it be possible for you to give me some measurements of the chassis?
I would like to know the total width and the height and width of the chassis profiles.

I hope you can help.
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Old 18-01-21, 14:24
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Please note I have cleaned up this thread by separating posts into two disctinct threads: British WW2 180 Gallon 20-cwt Bowsers restoration and Canadian 180-gal 20-cwt water trailer info.

There are are differences between the British and Canadian built watrer trailers. Although the Canadian trailers were built to the British design, they did differ in respects of methods of construction and parts like brakes etc. The latter were off Ford CMPs on Canadian built ones. The difference between the Canadian 15-cwt and 20-cwt is one or two extra cross members in the chassis and 20" (instead of 16") wheels on special adapters to fit the hubs.
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Old 18-01-21, 14:52
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Hi Leon , where in the Netherlands are you living ? otherwise come and measure it up .
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Old 18-01-21, 21:52
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Hello Maurice,

I live in Delft.
Is the Beek where you live the one in Limburg?

I would love to come and take some measurements and pictures, because yours is a Canadian version.

Please let me know when It would be possible for you?

You can Mail me at l.hassing@hetnet.nl to make arrangements.

Thanks for your help
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Old 19-01-21, 12:15
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Leon,

I should have some measurements of the tank of the one that used to be in the Wings of Liberation museum in Best, somewhere......but in all honesty, you are better off measuring up Maurice's trailer as it's nice and complete!

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p.s. Master or home-brew?
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Old 19-01-21, 21:23
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Alex , mine is unfortunately not complete , I am still missing the zwicky pumps , and the gauges , and one filter top .
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Old 21-01-21, 22:37
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Hello Alex,

I was planning to build it for myself, but am now thinking of making a master.
Only problem is that Graham does not have time to work on masters.
He is swamped with work on production.
So if I give it to him it might be a long time before it will be available.
I wil see what happens.


@Maurice,

Would It be possble to come and see the trailer next weekend?
Hope to hear from you.

All the best
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Old 22-01-21, 08:06
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Leon , It is better to wait for some better weather , it is now covered up In the back of the field .
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Old 22-01-21, 17:51
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Leon, I will see if I can dig up the base measurements I took; maybe that can give you a starting point. I am very curious about what you will make of the model.

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Only problem is that Graham does not have time to work on masters.
He is swamped with work on production.
Yes, I know he is quite occupied lately....which is a good thing I guess!
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Old 22-01-21, 17:58
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Alex , mine is unfortunately not complete , I am still missing the zwicky pumps , and the gauges , and one filter top .
I hadn't noticed, Maurice. I am sure you have looked long and far already, but I will keep an eye for the missing parts at this end of the country.
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Old 16-09-21, 12:23
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Here are some pictures dated 1951 of a Trailer, water, 180-gal, 20 cwt, 2-wh in service with the postwar Dutch army:

"1-tons 2-wielige watertankaanhangwagen 180 Gallons (800 liter) in het 1e Voertuigenpark."

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Plus three pictures dated 1955 of the same type of trailer, modified to use the type of wheel with 9.00-16 tyre as used on post-war trailers of Dutch manufacture:
"Een 1-tons 2-wielige watertankaanhangwagen 180 Gallons (800 liter)."
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Old 18-09-21, 03:48
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I'm not sure that water trailer is Canadian built. The drawbar arms are of different construction than any Canadian trailer that I have seen, and the hub caps are also wrong.
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Rob, agree on the "open" draw bars, not seen before. They most likely swapped the axle for a new one with hubs to match the wheels during the upgrade. Maybe the chassis was damaged and was fitted with replacement draw bars?

The archive caption states "Waterzuiveringsinstallatie Dominion Truck Company" - or water purification installation (built by?) the Dominion Truck Company - as far as I know that is the company in Kitchener, Ontario which also built bodies for the FWD SU-COE MAT. They also built 6 ton 2 wheel GS semi trailers that I know of.
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Normally the C channel used on the trailers has the flat side out. This one was built with the flat side in. I'll have to keep an eye on what's out there to see if there are others.
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Normally the C channel used on the trailers has the flat side out. This one was built with the flat side in. I'll have to keep an eye on what's out there to see if there are others.

It seems both flat side out and in were done. Just google pictures of the Landmattress Rocket Launcher.
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