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Old 05-08-07, 13:57
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just checked on awm website
<100 pages for $16.50
>100 pages for $38.50
wasnt quite as dear as i remembered
keith said there is somewhere between 16 and 19 ledgers and i have no idea of how many pages in each
i dont know where their cut off point for 100 pages and over is
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Old 05-08-07, 21:09
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The AWM have not copied any of the 126 series and are not planning to at this point which means the only way is to either hope someone else has photographed or transcribed them or to go in there yourself.
They are not allowed to be photocopied because they are too fragile to be spread out on a copier.
Apparently someone has been through the exercise of transcribing all the Jeep registrations.
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Old 06-08-07, 08:26
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Cheers plushy
The 128 for a Corps Provost Company appears to be a previous marking over which the 4th Armoured Brigade tac has been painted. You can see the Boomerang of the 4th Amd is overlapping the 2 and 8, which would never have been done in service. All unit ID numbers for the 4th Armoured Bde were 2 digit, so I'd be looking in the blank panel on the right of the Croc for more numbers.
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Slightly to the right is the bottom of another number which could possibly be a 9 i will go and take another look and see what else i can find .
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Digitising ARN records is a big job as I, and some other members of REMLR know. This is what the Big Blue Books look like.



and some information about them.

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General notes about the B.B.B. volumes:

* In 1982 the Army ('HQ Logistics Command, DoD, Melb.') placed 16 "Army Vehicle Registration Books" (Jan 1 1938 to Oct 25 1982) into Australian War Memorial archives.
* In 1999 a further 10 "Army Vehicle Registration Books" with later entries were archived.
* Fleet details were moved from books to computers during the 1990s since the last 'date of disposal' entries are dates from the early 1990s.
* Series 3 Land-Rover ARNs were presumably recorded on late 1970's electronically and not in the B.B.B. format.
* Perentie Land-Rover ARNs are presumably just one entry in a fully electronic logistic system...

Individual notes about the 'B.B.B.' volumes:

* AWM 126~01 vol: AIF '1 ~~ 6112' pre WW1, WW1, post WW1. 5 digit numerical.
* AWM 126~02 vol: AIF '6113 ~~ 12325' WW2. 5 digit numerical.
* AWM 126~03 vol: AIF '12326 ~~ 18867' WW2. 5 digit numerical.
* AWM 126~04 vol: AIF '18868 ~~ 25974' WW2. 5 digit numerical.
* AWM 126~05 vol: '00001 ~~ 13807' 1917~1960 5 digit numerical.
* AWM 126~06 vol: '13808 ~~ 20076' 1938~1954 5 digit numerical.
* AWM 126~07 vol: '20077 ~~ 26346' 1938~1960 5 digit numerical.
* AWM 126~08 vol: '26347 ~~ 32616' 1938~1962 5 digit numerical.
* AWM 126~09 vol: '32617 ~~ 40471' 1938~1948 5 digit numerical.
* AWM 126~10 vol: '40472 ~~ 48358' 1942~1964 5 digit numerical.
* AWM 126~11 vol: '48359 ~~ 59264' 1942~1977 5 digit numerical.
* AWM 126~12 vol: '59265 ~~ 66912' 1942~1969 5 digit numerical.
* AWM 126~13 vol: '66913 ~~ 74560' 1943~1973 5 digit numerical.
* AWM 126~14 vol: '74561 ~~ 82208' 1942~1978 5 digit numerical.
* AWM 126~15 vol: '82209 ~~ 89842' 1942~1974 5 digit numerical.
* AWM 126~16 vol: '89843 ~~ 97415' 1944~1982 5 digit numerical.
* AWM 126~17 vol: '97416 ~~ 105866' 1938~1990 5 & 6 digit numerical.
* AWM 126~18 vol: '105-867 ~~ 114-437' 1938~1992 6 digit numerical.
* AWM 126~19 vol: '114-438 ~~ 122-646' 1926~1989 6 digit numerical.
* AWM 126~20 vol: '122-647 ~~ 132-320' 1938~1983 6 digit numerical.
* AWM 126~21 vol: '132-321 ~~ 140-600' 1942~1990 6 digit numerical.
* AWM 126~22 vol: '140-601 ~~ 150-896' 1942~1990 6 digit numerical.
* AWM 126~23 vol: '150-897 ~~ 159-509' 1942~1993 6 digit numerical.
* AWM 126~24 vol: '159-510 ~~ 168-121' 1941~1980 6 digit numerical.
* AWM 126~25 vol: '168-122 ~~ 177-970' 1945~1990 6 digit numerical.
* AWM 126~26 vol: '177-971 ~~ 187-538' 1945~1990 6 digit numerical.
* AWM 126~27 vol: 1954~1966 Armour. Aircraft. Landing craft. Misc.

More B.B.B.:

Other vehicle's ARN records

'117-000' to '122-646'--Various 1940s & 1950s vehicles
'122-647' to '132-320'--Various 1940s vehicles
'132-321' to '134-139'--Various 1940s & 1950s vehicles
'134-140' to '134-480'--FHC 'M113A1' 1965-7-8
'134-481' to '137-306'--Various 1950s & 1960s vehicles
'137-352' to '146-600'--Various WW2 Jeeps & Bantam trailers, GMC, Kaiser, Reo, vehicles
'149-201' to '150-898'--Various WW2 GMC, Amphibs, Jeep trailers, etc
'150-897' to '159-509'--Various WW2 Jeeps, Nº5 trailers etc
'153-998' to '155-000'--N°5 trailers (DM trailer '154-520' chassis #1060)
'161-920' to '169-341'--Various WW2 Jeeps, Ford CMP, GMC, Studebakers, trailers, etc
'170-001' to '171-946'--ACCO Mk3 2½ ton 1963-68
'172-585' to '172-970'--ACCO Mk3 2½ ton 1968
'173-017' to '173-653'--N°5 trailers 1966
'173-654' to '173-978'--Workshop trailers
'174-024' to '174-194'--ACCO Mk3 2½ ton 1969
'174-495' to '174-694'--ACCO Mk3 5 ton 1968
'174-904' --Dodge staff car (Phoenix?)
'174-915' to '175-167'--ACCO Mk3 5 ton 1969
'175-367' to '175-419'--Holden cars 1968-69
'175-420' to '174-445'--ACCO Mk3 2½ ton
'175-448' to '176-305'--Holden cars, VW, Ford truck 'D' 2½ ton 1969
'176-316' to '176-528'--VW, flatbed trailers 20 ton
'176-528' to '176-532'--ACCO Mk3 2½ ton 1969
'176-741' to '176-748'--¾ ton towrig trailers OHM make; chassis 3, 7, 6, 4, 10, 9, 5, 2 'ofm' 1971 (1988 disposal)
'176-796' to '176-884'--ACCO Mk3 wrecker trucks 5 ton
'177-272' to '177-371'--OFM make N°5 trailers 1971
'177-374' to '177-384'--VW Carryall
'177-385' to '177-391'--Recovery tow rigs ¾ ton
'177-392' to '177-417'--VW Carryall, Dodge 1 ton
'177-418' to '177-723'--ACCO Mk4 2½ ton 1970 with air brakes, Holden, Ford utilities, Dodge 1 ton, Bedfords, Reo 20 ton
'177-837' to '177-851'--N° 5 trailers, various
'177-961' to '178-990'--ACCO Mk4 2½ ton 1971
'178-457' to '178-468'--ACCO 5 ton
'178-469' to '178-564'--Holden cars, VW 1971
'178-565' to '178-778'--ACCO Mk4 2½ ton 1971
'179-029' to '179-105'--VW Kombi Carryall
'179-106' to '179-159'--ACCO 5 ton 1971
'179-159' to '179-483'--VW, Bedford bus, trailers, Holden cars, Dodge 1 ton, Ford XY utes, etc
'179-535' to '180-874'--VW Kombi Carryall, trailers, Kaiser, Holden cars, Dodge 1 ton, Ford utes 1971, etc
'180-951' to '181-063'--ACCO 2½ ton 1972
'181-063' to '187-538'--ARNS blank -B.B.B. series ends.
REMLR has photographed and transcribed all the land rover ARN's that we can find onto our site. Along with some M113 and ACCO numbers. http://www.remlr.com/ARNs.html
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Old 06-08-07, 10:35
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Thats a big ledger ! .


Looks like the 128 was the last thing to go onto the truck before the civy paintjob i sanded back a corner of the 4th Armd bde sign and there is only the same paint as under the white numbers also if you look carefully where the chipped paint is you can see the layers of paint . I really need someone to come to my place and take a look to confirm what i am seeing .

I also found under the Hood/cover on the left a 5A and on the right a 943 which i assume are the F15A and 1943 seen in some of keiths photos ? .
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Old 06-08-07, 10:48
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Hi Richard,

I agree that to digitise the whole lot of volumes is a big ask, but if you are just looking at WWII vehicles then the list is much shorter.

Hi Plushy,

it is possible to deduce which volume your F15A lies in as you already know the ARN.

With MY truck, I only had the engine number and had to go through all the records of 1942-43 era (my engine number starts with a 3 prefix which is 1942 manufacture...) I then found the ARN. You blokes with ARNs had it EASY!

In the photo Richard has, you can see the type of details left. It will tell you what type of truck you have and its disposal and where it was initially delivered to. The hard yards is, as Max has pointed out, the ultimate disposition, or unit.

Agreed there is a lot of records, but are we not preservers of equipment?

Also, as many have done before, it is a pilgrimage to the AWM and finding YOUR truck's ARN in a book which makes the looking so much the better!

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Old 06-08-07, 10:52
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Thats a big ledger ! .


Looks like the 128 was the last thing to go onto the truck before the civy paintjob i sanded back a corner of the 4th Armd bde sign and there is only the same paint as under the white numbers also if you look carefully where the chipped paint is you can see the layers of paint . I really need someone to come to my place and take a look to confirm what i am seeing .

I also found under the Hood/cover on the left a 5A and on the right a 943 which i assume are the F15A and 1943 seen in some of keiths photos ? .
Yes, generally on the 15CWT Fords the stencil under the bonnet was 15 or 15A on the left and the year on the right.

On some the numbers were nicely hand painted as on my FGT which used the Ford model code C291 and then F.A.T. 4X4.

Often, with vehicles which saw long service such as the gun tractors they were repainted several times resulting in a look like this when they weathered.

It's had at least three repaints not counting the sawmill red which has completely weathered away. The last army coat was gloss deep bronze green.


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G'day All, Thank goodness someone went over all the details in the BBB with the 'Whiteout' that showed my home address and phone number, at least my Gunbuggy is now relativley safe LOL cheers Dennis
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For example under the bonnet the numerals will reflect the model & Year.
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Looks like the 128 was the last thing to go onto the truck before the civy paintjob. I really need someone to come to my place and take a look to confirm what i am seeing .
To save a trip, I thought I'd have a closer look at the Tac sign. It struck me as odd that the "128" was so low on the sign. On closer inspection it seems there is a border of colour change running along above the number and that the "128" was only the lower half. In the upper half, a 2 seems to appear, and the colour background is divided horizontally. The only three arms of service with horizontally divided signs are Cavalry, Artillery, and Signals. While it could be 2 over 128 for the 2nd Corps Provos, the background would be all black. Looking through the ID lists, the closest to 2 over 128 is 2 over 126 for the 2nd Light Anti Aircraft Regiment, in which case the background would be Red over Blue.
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I don't have any Order of battle lists that show what formation the 2 LAA Regt was allocated to, so the Formation sign is also a mystery. Not a lot can be made out, but this is what I can see:
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There is definately another 2 above the bottom one and you can almost see a one above the bottom one .

Here another way of looking at the image i used a image outline finder to see what i could find .



This shows the ARN number better and you can see the 128 a bit clearer .

I am going to try some other photo filters to see if i can spot anything else .
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heres a photo of the Fuel Tank markings
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Hi James, It's just an observation but the corner tie down point on your sunshine roof on the F15a are Holden not Ford, so I suspect the roof is from another truck. The windscreen frames are Chev.I may have a lot of the parts you require, so send a list.
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Hi Euan ,
Is the any other way to tell if the sunshine roof belongs there or not ?

Some of the obvious things i am after is windscreen frames ,front grill , radiator , motor [i have found the original but the current owner doesnt want to sell it ] ,dash , tyres , rear gs body ,another fuel tank and the list will go on.
I have to work out whats missing and go from there .
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James, this is a Ford roof, note the corner fixings for the rope.
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Hi Euan ,
Is the any other way to tell if the sunshine roof belongs there or not ?

Some of the obvious things i am after is windscreen frames ,front grill , radiator , motor [i have found the original but the current owner doesnt want to sell it ] ,dash , tyres , rear gs body ,another fuel tank and the list will go on.
I have to work out whats missing and go from there .
I'd have a front grill with a ford badge on it laying around here some where.
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Well i got the roof off and it appears Euan is right i sanded back some of the paint and there is only 4 layers the nose of the truck has 7 or 8 layers so it looks like its had the roof swapped at some time . Apart from the corner fixings are there any other differences between the ford and Chev roof`s ?.

Max if i cant find one closer i will take you up on the grill , it will give me a chance to drool over your collection and to do some sniffing around up your way .
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Hi Plushy,

Ian made a bit of a mistake in his description of me and out similar ARN. My name for starters (which i dont care about, as i`ve been called worse and had it spelt worse too! ) but i actualy have an F15A - ARN 54783, not an F60 and i`m in Sydney, not Dubbo!

I am in the process of slowly sanding down layer by layer to trace history of the vehicle and also if there are any unit signs etc.

For interests sake, in the AWM records, for my ARN, it turned out that my truck was classified as an Office Body, not a GS body- so if you run across any office body bits (canvas, poles, fittings such as seat/tables etc), let me know! I still have the original body which appears to have signs of the original mounting holes though i have no more bits.

Apparently my trucks pretty complete from what ive been told so if i can help out with any pictures or dimensions, just let me know!

I also only know very little about these vehicles- jeeps = heaps, blitzes = nil at the moment!

Cheers and good luck with your resto.

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