Chevrolet CMP C15 cab 11 body 2A1

[Jacek Nitkiewicz]

Project started in August 2014 thanks to Adrian.
Photos taken at sellers yard.

[Jacek Nitkiewicz]

transport to garage

[Ganmain Tony]

Jacek

I'm speechless... what an extraordinary find!!!! Congratulations!!!

[Jacek Nitkiewicz]

Some french suplements.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Hello Jacek,

Welcome to the forum with your great find! Another early CMP found in France. Somehow they must have gotten a sizable number of them after WW2.

Can you find any markings under the civilian paint?

Regards,
Hanno

[Jacek Nitkiewicz]

Vehicle was painted three times: original factory green paint, later in all accessible parts this paint was removed and truck was painted outside dark blue by auto workshop "Garage M. Chatelier" in Bretany. Someone repainted it grey inside and outside at last but without cleaning, so this layer can be removed very easy. So far I couldn’t find any military markings on the truck except WD mark on one of the tires.

[cletrac (RIP)]

Here's a thread with lots of relevant info for you.
http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/showthread.php?t=8622

[Phil Waterman]

Hi Jacek

Your truck can be best be described as a dream find, find Pat 11s in this condition is rare. Hope that as you work on it you are as fortunate that the mechanical condition matches the photographic condition.

Will watch with interest your restoration.

Cheers Phil

[aj.lec]

Congratulations
That looks to be in very good order
Best of luck with its restoration

[Jacek Nitkiewicz]

test drive:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmuZMGgWfno

[Jacek Nitkiewicz]

what is this part used for?

[rob love]

Loop point for the tarp rope.

[Jacek Nitkiewicz]

Engine and gearbox number

[Bob Carriere]

Read the postrings with great interest.

The small pegs on the side of the box are for fastening the tarp as mentioned....early models were made of brass.

The early tarps had leather straps with an Key-hole cut through the leather. The strap was pulled tight down over the pin and the tarp tension pulled the strap back into the narrow vertical cut of the key hole.

Since you have the cargo box removed for restoration please take as many measurements and as many pictures as you can....... I would be prepared to pay for a CD with detailed information/drawings on the wooden construction.

I have 3 badly rusted 2B1 boxes that I plan to reverse engineer a repro box from and will generate plans when I tackle the project.

It was a pleasant walk down memory lane to re read all the old postings on the early cab 11 ....... amazing how much you can forget and have to relearn.

Good luck on your restoration and keep us up todate of your progress with pictures.

Bob C

[Jacek Nitkiewicz]

I've started work with taking photos with tape.

[Jacek Nitkiewicz]

subframe will be oak, floor and side boards spruce

[Jacek Nitkiewicz]

Any idea how to disassembly this? Removing nuts was not suficient.

[Jacek Nitkiewicz]

Another problem how to remove sackcloth seal withot damaging it. It is fixed with small nail with thread.

[Bob Carriere]

On the first part you are trying to take apart..... What is it? I could not identify what it was. You may have to drill the rivets slowly to be able to remove them with a small punch or drift pin..... but do you really need to remove them??

On the second issue ..... if you are talking about the heavy canvass trim around the engine bonnet/hood .... you can remove the nails carefully.... try twisting them loose from the underside then pull from the head. The nails have a twisted shank and need to be turned as you pull on them.

The nails and the canvass trim are easily available from restoration suppliers here in North America. We can assist you in finding the proper suppliers or act as a middle person.

You will also need some kind of fabric webbing or synthetic material to act as anti-squeak gaskets between each body panels around the fenders, arches and cowl area.

Cheers

Bob C.

[Jacek Nitkiewicz]

Bob it is opening of the engine compartment. This handle is french invention, I have no idea how it was secured to the rest of the body originaly. I want to sandblast it. As for canvas trim I couldn't find it in Poland so I will appreciate your assistance with locating supplier.

[Bob Carriere]

Also called "hood" or "bonnet" in any case too small to be of much good.

That cover is held in place by two wing nuts on each corner of the front edge.
If you are doing a full restoration you wil not need that French gizzmo!!!

On the fabric....let me get you some web address to shop from in Canada or USA..... there may be some European suppliers who already importing and reselling on the Continent....... hoping other European members can add information.

Looks like you will also need some Ford door handles from Dirk in Holland.

[Bob Carriere]

Hi Jacek

try this Ford supplier......
http://www.macsautoparts.com/early_v8_ford_truck/

Remember that the Chevrolet CMP cab 11 has Ford brakes except for the master cylinder..... Ford door handles and mine as a Ford grill.

I would encourage you to get one of their catalogue which are well illustrated.
Once you have a copy I can identify specific parts tyhat are compatible with your truck. I find the catalogue helpful in giving me the right words to describe a particular item..... hard to look for parts when you are not sure what it is called.

Cheers
Bob C

[Alex van de Wetering]

Canvas trim or rubber profile?

I always presumed the seal was rubber, fitted with nails(?). My C8 came with the remains of a rubber profile (picture attached) and I think I have seen rubber on two other Cab11's as well. Were both used? Or is either the rubber, or the canvas a post-war replacement(?)

Some oldtimer parts suppliers here in Holland sell the canvas strip, however the choice of width and colour is limited. Jacek, have you tried a firm repairing shoes or making rucksacks?...they might be able to get you the canvas.


Alex

[Bob Carriere]

Fancy seeing you here.

The proper trim for the original build was canvass. It is sold by the foot and held in place with those funny screw nails. the profile of the canvas is like a figure 8 lying on its side...... woven as a tube then flattened and glued or stitched........ nails are driven in the groove when the tube is flattened. It is readily available on the US EBay. Canvass color is limited to black and dark brown/beige.

How are you doing with your C8.

Bob C

[Jacek Nitkiewicz]

Photos show details of canvas trim. I've found two different sizes.

[Alex van de Wetering]

Jacek,

The webbing was also used on a lot of early british sports cars and also Land Rovers. I think Angloparts has the material available (at least the type shown in your last pic) and they have a distribution point in Warszawa;
https://www.angloparts.com/en/about/show/poland
As Bob pointed out...Ebay is also a good source....but also firms specialised in car upholstery and firms repairing shoes, tents and manufacture rucksacks.



Alex

[Bob Carriere]

Usually available in 5/8 ( approx. 14mm) or the wider 3/4 or 7/8 (approx. 22 mm)

Been searching Ebay without success so far.

Cheers

[Bob Carriere]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1935-FORD-PA...item3f0338d29d

Try the above eBay lsiting..... supplier may have other size.

Cheers

[Alex van de Wetering]

Hi Bob. I am slowly getting back on track with the C8. I haven't been able to spend as much time on the project as I would have liked to, over the past few months. The time I did get to spend on the project was invested in doing things over again, due to a bad choice of primer and my own ignorance.
I will update my resto log soon (I was already cautioned by Stefan and Hanno of the Dutch CMP police )
Brian Gough did help me with a very important thing!

The proper trim for the original build was canvass.

Your post of yesterday triggered me (one of the lovely things of the forum!) to check the servicepub factory photos again. I tend to think both rubber and canvas were used.
Some of the cab12 photos show a smooth P-shaped seal between panels, One of the best pictures is a pic with the hood opened, which shows the seal on the inside, along the edge of the hood. This matches the size and shape of the rubber remains I found on my C8. The flat part of the "P" is fixed to the panel with the nails/screws and the round pipe acts as the edge along the panel.
On closer inspection I see the piping on cab 11's, as well as cab 12's, Fords and Chevs.........but not all! Sometimes you see the panels close nicely without any seals sticking out, which leads me to believe Canvas webbing was used on those trucks....others show the piping running along the panels close to the windscreen and the panels close to the radiator; it seems those trucks have the rubber fitted.

I have just checked the C8 parts manual and if I have managed to identify the proper part, than both webbing and rubber are mentioned under "8.034" "ANTI-SQUEAK, Hood to Radiator Shell & Cowl".

Alex

[Bob Carriere]

My parts manual No 175 Jamuary 1042 for the 1940-41 ,,,,covering 8cwt to 3 tons has no listing past 8.028 Catch, hood then jumps to 8-27 and further on 8.112

The 8-27 ( dash not a typo) goes on listing Part number 114286 Anti squeak Hood to radiator shell and cowl (sold per foot) webbing

Part number 37852R ANTI-SQUEAK, hood to radiator shell and cowl, (sold by the foot) Rubber

You are correct both rubber and canvass webbing was used.

On mine they looked old enough and tattered to be original and were all canvass as shown by Jacek.

Now I have to consult my vast library of photos to see which had what. Tomorrow I will check the Alligator nose cab 12 at the back as I can't remember ever seeing rubber.

You never finish to learn at this game.

Cheers