Need Info on WW2 Toronto Scottish Formation Badge

[Dean (Ajax)]

Can anyone tell me what the WW2 Formation badge, used on trucks ect looked like? A colour photo would be great!!!

Thank you All

I am sure Mark Tonner would have a photo somewhere!!

Dean

[Jon Skagfeld]

Dean:

Are you after the formation sign only? I think perhaps you're looking for the unit sign, or both.

[Dean (Ajax)]

I would like to see both if possible.

Dean

[Jordan Baker]

The Toronto Scotish were part of 2nd Cnd Inf Div. Therefore the divisional sign would the blue rectangle with a yellow/gold maple leaf on it. Depending if its early war or later the maple leaf may have the C II in it in blue.

The unit sign Jon is talking about would be a white 64 on a black square background.

[Dean (Ajax)]

Thank you!!!

Dean

[Mark W. Tonner]

Hi Dean;

Was away most of today so wasn’t able to respond until now. Jordan has answered your question regarding the Formation sign used, but just a note regarding the Arm of Service marking used by the Toronto Scottish Regiment, from approximately May 1943 to February 1944 the Arm of Service marking used by the 2nd Infantry Division Support Battalion (The Toronto Scottish Regiment) was:

Headquarters, 2nd Infantry Division Support Battalion (The Toronto Scottish Regiment) - 64 in white on a black background

4th Infantry Brigade Support Group (The Toronto Scottish Regiment) - 64 in white on a red background

5th Infantry Brigade Support Group (The Toronto Scottish Regiment) - 64 in white on a green background

6th Infantry Brigade Support Group (The Toronto Scottish Regiment) - 64 in white on a brown background

1st Battalion, The Toronto Scottish Regiment (M.G.) was converted & re-designated the 2nd Infantry Division Support Battalion (The Toronto Scottish Regiment) effective 1 May 1943.

2nd Infantry Division Support Battalion (The Toronto Scottish Regiment) was converted & re-designated 1st Battalion, The Toronto Scottish Regiment (M.G.) effective 24 February 1944, after which the Arm of Service marking used was 64 in white on a black background on all unit transport.

Cheers

[Dean (Ajax)]

Thank you Mark!! Knew you would have the answer..and thanks to everyone else that has helped.

One last Question..what size would it be???

I am thinking of having some made for my YJ

Dean

[Jon Skagfeld]

Originally Posted by Jordan Baker

The Toronto Scotish were part of 2nd Cnd Inf Div. Therefore the divisional sign would the blue rectangle with a yellow/gold maple leaf on it. Depending if its early war or later the maple leaf may have the C II in it in blue.

The unit sign Jon is talking about would be a white 64 on a black square background.

Except that...

White 64 on black would designate Tor Scots Unit sign 1st Cdn Army, Jun 1944.

White 53 on red would be 2nd Cdn Inf Div, as at Aug 1942 as well as Cdn Army May 1942. (Credit:Barry Beldham).

May I assume that Tor Scots, being an MMG Bn would have been, at various times, slotted into 2 Div, as well as being allocated as an Army asset?

Fascinating, eh?

[Jon Skagfeld]

Hell...I didn't check to see if Mark had posted in.

Anyhow, Dean, you've got your answer to your original post!

[Mark W. Tonner]

Originally Posted by Dean (Ajax)

Thank you Mark!! Knew you would have the answer..and thanks to everyone else that has helped.

One last Question..what size would it be???

I am thinking of having some made for my YJ

Dean

Hi Dean;

The size of the Formation sign was: 6½ inches high x 9 inches wide.

Cheers

[Mark W. Tonner]

Originally Posted by Jon Skagfeld

Except that...

White 64 on black would designate Tor Scots Unit sign 1st Cdn Army, Jun 1944.

White 53 on red would be 2nd Cdn Inf Div, as at Aug 1942 as well as Cdn Army May 1942.

Dean;

Jon is correct, as/at May 1942 - AoS 53 in white on red background for Machine Gun Battalions, 1st, 2nd and 3rd Canadian Divisions. Also, as/at April1940 - MG Battalions were Corps assets and used either 34, 35 or 36 in white on a red background, this was changed to 45, 46 or 47 in white on a red background as/at 28 May 1940. As of 12 December 1940, the Arm of Service marking of 53 in white on red background for the Machine Gun Battalion in Infantry Divisions was adopted.

Cheers

[Alex Blair (RIP)]

Originally Posted by Mark W. Tonner

Dean;

Jon is correct, as/at May 1942 - AoS 53 in white on red background for Machine Gun Battalions, 1st, 2nd and 3rd Canadian Divisions. Also, as/at April1940 - MG Battalions were Corps assets and used either 34, 35 or 36 in white on a red background, this was changed to 45, 46 or 47 in white on a red background as/at 28 May 1940. As of 12 December 1940, the Arm of Service marking of 53 in white on red background for the Machine Gun Battalion in Infantry Divisions was adopted.

Cheers

Mark...
Any light on the acronym TOFOR..I have seen it on some vehicles..maybe Bosnia but can't remember..(Pinky and I think it has something to do with a 24 of beer ..)and another thing..are you going to make it up to Bob's BBQ in June..??
As if we need a BBQ gather up to drink beer and party..!!
But it would be great to see you there..

[Dean (Ajax)]

Thanks again Mark!!!

Dean

[Dean (Ajax)]

Funny how things work out..here I was asking about the badges on the fenders of Trucks and Tanks..and yesterday I found a few original decals for the Vehs!!..bigger than I thought..all have the Maple leaf in the center

Thanks again

Dean