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At the weekend I inspected a FWD HAR-01 on behalf of the MVT.
The owner requested that I posted the vehicles details and request any further information on this vehicle type other than that already contained in Wheels and Tracks number 5. Details of the Truck are as follows (see attached pictures). Data Plate inside drivers door reads:- GL. Mk 111 CANADIAN - REL Truck - No.3 Assembly No. - ZC/C2675 Serial No. - 305 Supply Mechanical 2828 Engine Plate Reads:- Model - 6B770C No. - 518196 Stencilled on doors:- L8735454 Z3-shed 18B SPLY/ES3/RIB SPBSC2354 The truck was purchased in 1947 for use in a timber yard in Wiltshire. The truck was subsequently disposed of and the original owner has now purchased it back for restoration. He is trying to find some manuals for the truck, a pair of head lights and a body. Also details of appropriate war-time markings for this truck would be appreciated (presumably Royal Artillery). I am trying to find the location of the Chassis number which is necessary for first registration. Can any one help with this or is it already on the data plate under a different name? For reference this owner has been discussed before on the other FWD thread and used to own several FWD's of various types. He still owns a GMC Tank engine which used to power his saw mill. |
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FWD HAR-1
Neil,
Have been looking at your pictures of the FWD. In case you didn't know the meaning of the data plate ; GL Mk111, Canadian, Truck number 3, Assembly ZC/C2675 Well, the vehicle was used for towing the Canadian version of the Gun-Laying (GL) Radar Mk3. This radar was carried in 2 trailers, one each for receiver and transmitter. A third trailer was used to tow the generator, a 15kVA Lister or similar. The towing vehicles would probably have specialist bodies for carrying all the crew and kit associated with the radar setup. Your vehicle was truck number 3, but what it actually towed I do not know. ZC/C2675 is a radio/electrical stores part number and may have indicated what it towed or additional equipment stowed inside the vehicle, I don't know for sure . The trailers were quite heavy and would have required a sturdy towing vehicle, other vehicles designated for the task were the AEC Matador and Albion CX22S. The British version of the GL3 was carried in just one trailer and weighed 9.5 tons ! ( I have 2 which I am hoping to restore) . This combination only needed 2 towing vehicles. Hope this is of interest to you. Alan Brock |
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Parts Book....
Neil
I have the original parts book listed on my site.. Contact me off line for details,if interested. Disregard the price shown..it's from 1942..
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Thanks for the replies. I will convay them to the owner.
Can some one with the Chilwell B vehicle list look up the number (L8735454) please as if correct it does not fit into the ranges quoted by Bart in his article. Also I still need to know where FWD stamped the chassis numbers on their vehicles. I am assuming that the other numbers on the doors refer to the depot where it was stored. Does anyone know if there are any other survivors in the UK? |
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FWD HAR-1
Neil,
There is an FWD HAR-1 for sale on Milweb, advert dated 4 Nov 2005 Alan Brock |
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Alan
There are a number of FWD HAR-1 in circulation, but I am not personaly a where of any other HAR-01 in this country. |
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The B vehicle census book only goes up to 23 Nov 1944 and last number is 6277385. It may be that the first three digits are wrong? The nearest to it is Lorry 3ton 4x4 GL MkIII Equipment, no's L4785291 to 4786090 under contract no. SM2828 . Richard |
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Bounced E mail
Neil..
I tryed to respond to your e-mail but it bounced.. Here is the e-mail answer... Quote:
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hi folks
i am currently restoring an fwd har-1, but have a workshop manual for an har-01. £40 and can take to Malvern. 07799113016 after 6pm if interested. p.s i would pay a good price for a parts manual for my truck if anyone out there has one. cheers ben rippingham |
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Dont know how this will print, this one found its way in to yhe US logging industry
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Har! Har! Har! Har! Staying Alive
A FWD-HAR is still clinging to a shaky existance in the Australian scrub, despite not having run for years and having been cannabalised for parts. The diffs were apparently a weak point on these vehicles, and this truck is missing the whole complete rear axle, although it appears mechanically complete otherwise with a few small items missing from the Waukesha engine. The body is missing a few panels and the doors, but is remarkably rust-free.
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As mentioned in the link in post #8 above, the Australian Army used the FWD-HAR as a part of the "Radar Train", which consisted of 2x FWD-HARs and a Chev C60L CMP towing ZP-I and APF radar trailers and a Generator. There are now 3 known APF radar trailers in the area, so maybe it follows that there are some more HARs to be located?
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Another shakey existence in the background
Any pictures of the treasure in the background? It's sad to see a FWD in such straits. There are too few of these in captivity. I can remember back in the 70s in sawmill country they were always known as "Waukeshas" as nobody knew the correct name I suppose.
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Truck Id from the Brains Trust...
Pass this truck a couple of times a year up in the hills, no idea what it is. Has fold out wind screen, RH drive, Waukesha engine, 4x4. I'm sure this was also "running when last used" as they say in the adverts... That would be the dash board sitting on the bumper.
Could be post war, but maybe not. FWD? Any ideas? Rich.
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FWD HAR-1 with hard-top cab.
These trucks (originally RHD) came to Aust as part of the Canadian Radar Train to tow the Radar Van as used as the Corowa HQ!!
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Certainly FWD, the axles are very distinctive. I have no idea what model. I thought HAR1 had bolt on wheels.
What a shame it is so far gone. David |
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Quick and accurate ID, I thank you gentlemen.
It has been in this state for quite a few years, does not seem to be losing any more pieces than when I first saw it. Shame it is as it is, but on the other hand, it is always nice to see it still there as I go past. Maybe one of the moderators could tack it on to the discussion as linked by Tony? Rich.
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Always nice to see the rusty remains of mighty vehicles. Hanno
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Does anyone know if this truck still exists?
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RAOC Chilwell
I posted this on an FB group as I couldn't ID it... The oddly cropped image is taken from the scrapbook-style 'Chilwell 1939 - 1945' self-published book.
The WD serial number appears to come from a Canadian block. |
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The truck in post 26 has been recovered.
The truck in post 23 after having languished for the last 9 years as garden art has also been recovered. Some abandoned but very good sheet metal from Cloncurry in Queensland has been purchased. I will start a new thread but I am pretty excited to have gathered all these rare relics in a short space of time.
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Well done, Jack, looking forward to the new build thread.
Mike |
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I would like to add a few comments re FWD vehicles now that this thread has been revived. I live just a few miles from Kitchener Ontario in Canada where the FWD company had their canadian assembly plant. trucks arrived in a broken down state from the home factory (Clintonville Wisconsin I think) and were reassembled in Kitchener. I have attached a photo from the early war years. The site is long since redeveloped and after the war FWD made a variety of heavy trucks using International cabs. In my 40 years of prowling through junkyards and farmyards looking for military vehicles in Ontario, I can tell you that the FWD was not very common here though I found several o ver the years. Today they are non existent except for a few hoarded away by collectors. I owned a cab over version with a twin boom Holmes wrecker that had been operated by De Havilland aircraft but the wrecker went to Holland and the truck to a collector in the Ottawa area. They were neat trucks with wooden framed cabs that unfortunately didn't survive Ontario weather conditions very well. I also seem to recall that while they were slow moving vehicles ( same as CMPs) the speed reduction occurred in the chain drive transfer case. I still have a NOS transfer case buried in a van body here somewhere. I can post a few pictures of the old trucks that were here years ago if anyone is interested.
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