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Old 12-02-17, 13:52
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Default Can anyone i.d. Rounds , besa 7.92 mm?

Got these rounds and heads with a besa machine gun, are they proper besa, most have wartime dates on the cases.
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Old 12-02-17, 13:53
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More pics of cases and heads
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2pdr Tank Hunter Universal Carrier 1942 registered 11/11/2008.
3" Mortar Universal Carrier 1943 registered 06/06/2009.
1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, Caunter camo.
1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, light stone.
10 cwt wartime mortar trailer.
1943 Mk2 Daimler Dingo.
1943 Willys MB.
1936 Vickers MG carrier No1 Mk1 CMM 985.
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Old 12-02-17, 13:57
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More pics of cases.
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2pdr Tank Hunter Universal Carrier 1942 registered 11/11/2008.
3" Mortar Universal Carrier 1943 registered 06/06/2009.
1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, Caunter camo.
1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, light stone.
10 cwt wartime mortar trailer.
1943 Mk2 Daimler Dingo.
1943 Willys MB.
1936 Vickers MG carrier No1 Mk1 CMM 985.
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Old 12-02-17, 15:16
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I'm not a headstamp expert. There are whole communities of cartridge and ammunition collectors who should be able to advise.
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Old 12-02-17, 15:21
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Any 7.9x57 ammo would probably work in a BESA, but it wouldn't be possible to tell whether they were used in one or not. Unless it had a British military headstamp, in which you could safely say that it was for the BESA as the UK didn't use that ammo in anything else.

However, none of the headstamps you show are British. FN is obviously Belgian, and FS is probably Fabrique Solothurn of Switzerland.
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Old 12-02-17, 17:45
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Thanks for the replies, I'm looking to sell them all and was looking for there value really.

Kevin.
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3" Mortar Universal Carrier 1943 registered 06/06/2009.
1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, Caunter camo.
1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, light stone.
10 cwt wartime mortar trailer.
1943 Mk2 Daimler Dingo.
1943 Willys MB.
1936 Vickers MG carrier No1 Mk1 CMM 985.
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Old 12-02-17, 20:48
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Hi Kevin
get on the Grenades and Ordenance site on Facebook mate. Buy, sell, identify and info. Great group worth being in.
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Old 12-02-17, 21:16
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Thanks for the replies, I'm looking to sell them all and was looking for there value really.

Kevin.
The market rate for dubious mixed surplus ammunition is $1 a piece in Canada. As random 8mm Mauser rounds, those have negligible value to anyone who shoots. Just drop them off at the local gun store and smile as you walk away.
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Old 13-02-17, 06:38
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Or next time you display your carriers you might give them to some kids (under suitable conditions) and you might help to sow the seeds to grow some young people who develop interests like your self?
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Old 13-02-17, 22:29
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Kevin,

BESA does not have a round firing pin tip. Tip is the same shape as the Bren gun firing pin. You would have an oblong dent in the striker.

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Old 14-02-17, 00:30
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Kevin,

BESA does not have a round firing pin tip. Tip is the same shape as the Bren gun firing pin. You would have an oblong dent in the striker.

Cheers,
Marc, do you happen to have a tool roll for your besa?. I've got nearly all the contents but am missing the roll. Never seen one before, only in this pic.
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3" Mortar Universal Carrier 1943 registered 06/06/2009.
1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, Caunter camo.
1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, light stone.
10 cwt wartime mortar trailer.
1943 Mk2 Daimler Dingo.
1943 Willys MB.
1936 Vickers MG carrier No1 Mk1 CMM 985.
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Old 14-02-17, 09:15
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Originals are very hard to find, though I do have one. I think Cobbaton had some reproduced.
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Old 14-02-17, 09:43
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Thanks Adrian, I'll ask Tim.
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3" Mortar Universal Carrier 1943 registered 06/06/2009.
1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, Caunter camo.
1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, light stone.
10 cwt wartime mortar trailer.
1943 Mk2 Daimler Dingo.
1943 Willys MB.
1936 Vickers MG carrier No1 Mk1 CMM 985.
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Old 14-02-17, 22:27
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Kevin,

I also have most of the contents but not the roll unfortunately.

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Daimler Armoured Car Mk1 1943
Daimler Ferret Mk1/1 1959
Ford Universal Carrier No2 MkII* 1944
Ford GPW British Airborne 1944
Lightweight 10 Cwt Trailer SS Cars Ltd 1944
Anti-Tank Gun 6 Pdr 7 Cwt MkII 1942
Daf Trailer YAA602 1954
Daf Trailer AT16-24-1NL 1977
Daf 2100Turbo 1982
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Old 29-09-17, 18:26
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Somebody does now but they paid a hefty price for it......
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WW2-1950s-...vip=true&rt=nc
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Old 29-09-17, 22:43
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Ouch!! That is quite expensive!!
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Daimler Dingo Mk1B 1941
Daimler Armoured Car Mk1 1943
Daimler Ferret Mk1/1 1959
Ford Universal Carrier No2 MkII* 1944
Ford GPW British Airborne 1944
Lightweight 10 Cwt Trailer SS Cars Ltd 1944
Anti-Tank Gun 6 Pdr 7 Cwt MkII 1942
Daf Trailer YAA602 1954
Daf Trailer AT16-24-1NL 1977
Daf 2100Turbo 1982
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Old 02-10-17, 20:52
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That's what you get when you get two nut cases after the same item!, I guess he will offset it against a bargain.
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3" Mortar Universal Carrier 1943 registered 06/06/2009.
1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, Caunter camo.
1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, light stone.
10 cwt wartime mortar trailer.
1943 Mk2 Daimler Dingo.
1943 Willys MB.
1936 Vickers MG carrier No1 Mk1 CMM 985.
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Old 05-10-17, 13:10
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I was going to say a batch of 50's dated ones came out about 20 years and cost about 10.00 to buy. Should have brought a load!!

Never seen a war-time dated example of any other examples out-side of this batch.

When you consider Ryton's told me that they chopped up some of their Besa's from Portugal as there was no interest it shows how things have changed. They were selling them for 150.00 with very little interest!! I recently paid something like 700 just before the change in the law.
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I just picked another one up from ebay. Listed as 'amo bag'!
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