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Old 06-10-19, 23:00
Larry Hayward Larry Hayward is offline
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I'd be interested to know what Canadian vehicles were shipped to the Soviet Union by Canada in WW2, as I cannot say I have seen any photos of any CMP Ford or Chev trucks on the Eastern Front (excluding ones taken there by the Axis!).

Did Canada supply any Conventional Pattern trucks to the Soviets?
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Old 06-10-19, 23:06
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Hi Larry,

I haven't seen Oliver here on the forum for a while, but Oliver Missing has a website dedicated to the subject of Lend-Lease equipment in the red army;

https://www.o5m6.de/redarmy/index.php



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Old 07-10-19, 00:26
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Thanks for the link

I can see on this website that there are actual photos of the US made Ford G8T, the Dodge WF-32, and the Chevrolet 3116 in use by the Russians but for a typical 3 tonner CMP 11, 12 or 13 cab and the Dodge T-110 L-5 photo evidence is missing so are these vehicles in Soviet service just guesswork? And why no 15 cwt CMPs?

I did see the photo of the C60X six wheeler though!
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Old 08-10-19, 22:21
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Hi Larry,
IMHO the lack of pictures can be explained with no less than two reasons:
1. The Canadian softskins received in the USSR by Lend-Lease weren't that much;
2. The possession of personal cameras in the Red army was prohibited and the official photographers seldom took pictures of Lend-Lease hardware due to political and ideological reasons.
So even today we must rely almost completely on indirect evidences, such like plain texts and postwar pictures.
Talking about CMPs, so far I have an info about some "arcticized for Russia": C60S wreckers (regretfully it isn't mentioned were they fitted with Holmes or Gar Wood gear, or both), LWB 3-tonners with GS body (not clear were they Ford or Chevrolets, or both) and C60X machinery trucks of 5 different types with 5 different Lindsey bodies respectively. However, "arcticized for Russia" still doesn't mean "delivered in Russia", although some were. Looks like all were fitted with cab 13.
This info wasn't found in Russian sources, of course. When it comes to Lend-Lease softskins even after so many years they are suspiciously silent, save the Studebaker US6.
So far I've managed to dig out only one wartime picture with good quality of Canadian truck in Red army service and it is Dodge T110, enjoy:

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I also have some "indirect evidences", i.e. postwar pictures, if you're interested I'll post them too.
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Old 29-10-19, 22:09
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Ford F15A with Machinery "KL" for electric welding. Postwar photo.
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Old 29-10-19, 22:36
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Hi Sergey,

Excellent photos, thanks for sharing!

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Old 29-10-19, 22:40
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I have this Canadian manufactured Water Can in my collection.

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Old 30-10-19, 08:58
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This one Larry, one of about 1500 supplied to Russia from 1943..

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Thanks for the link

I can see on this website that there are actual photos of the US made Ford G8T, the Dodge WF-32, and the Chevrolet 3116 in use by the Russians but for a typical 3 tonner CMP 11, 12 or 13 cab and the Dodge T-110 L-5 photo evidence is missing so are these vehicles in Soviet service just guesswork? And why no 15 cwt CMPs?

I did see the photo of the C60X six wheeler though!

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Old 30-10-19, 09:17
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I have this Canadian manufactured Water Can in my collection.
Ed,
That's a very nice can you have there. I get that the larger letters spell "WATER", but what's the rest of it say? My Russian is a tad rusty.

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Old 30-10-19, 16:58
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"In freezing weather do not fill past 9/10 full", which was sound advice.
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Old 30-10-19, 22:53
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"In freezing weather do not fill past 9/10 full", which was sound advice.
Aha. Thanks!
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Old 31-10-19, 04:05
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Hi Larry,

I haven't seen Oliver here on the forum for a while, but Oliver Missing has a website dedicated to the subject of Lend-Lease equipment in the red army;

https://www.o5m6.de/redarmy/index.php

Alex
Great website. He's put a lot of effort into the lists, the photos, and the artwork.
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Old 31-10-19, 08:46
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Hello
Recently I have found a web site and there is a movie in a museum in SAINT PETERBOURG (ex LENINGRAD). In this movie we can see british (BEDFORD QL) and CMP vehicle used by red army during the war. Nevertheless most of trucks are from US origin (DODGE, GMC, STUDEBAKER JEEP ;

Ленрезерв. Экспозиция автомобилей поставлявшихся по Ленд-лизу.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDWPiDrH39Y

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Old 31-10-19, 17:39
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I have conducted a very quick check to see what Canada was supplying to the Soviet Union under the Mutual Aid program. From what I can see, prior to July 1943 Canada was primarily supplying raw materials and foodstuffs in order for the Soviet Union to manufacture the material required to defeat the Germans and have the necessary food to help feed the factory workers and soldiers. We also repaired Soviet warships at Canadian dockyards and provided shell-making equipment. Substantial quantities of Canadian supplies were moved to the Soviet Union prior to the introduction of Mutual Aid in 1943 but these were largely made available by the United Kingdom by way of diversions of U.K. contracts in Canada which included 1,223 tanks and 1,348 Universal Carriers.

I have an interesting document which lists the amounts of surplus Canadian military clothing being sent to the Soviet Union in 1942 which probably explains the relative scarcity of late 1930s uniforms as we sent quite a lot to the Soviet Union.

Following the introduction of Mutual Aid to the Soviet Union and until March 1944 I still see large quantities of raw materials being supplied but also foodstuffs, machinery as well as 33 Universal Carriers and 340 vehicles.

What also has to be remembered is that the Canadian Government authorized the expenditures with credit being extended to our Allies so that they could receive the supplies they needed. Other recipients of Canadian Mutual Aid were: United Kingdom, France, China, India and Australia. Our friends in the U.S. can claim to have been the Arsenal of Democracy but Canada can certainly be regarded as the Arsenal of the Commonwealth.
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Hello
Recently I have found a web site and there is a movie in a museum in SAINT PETERBOURG (ex LENINGRAD). In this movie we can see british (BEDFORD QL) and CMP vehicle used by red army during the war. Nevertheless most of trucks are from US origin (DODGE, GMC, STUDEBAKER JEEP ;

Ленрезерв. Экспозиция автомобилей поставлявшихся по Ленд-лизу.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDWPiDrH39Y

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Awesome, Serge, thanks a lot.
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