ATS training - Page 2

Radek · #31 16-05-08, 08:25

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Originally Posted by Richard Farrant

Hi Radek,

A MWV does not have a full metal cab it is the back body and canvas cover that is slightly different from a normal MW cargo truck (MWD). The early MWV van had open cab with aero screens and canvas roof and half canvas doors, then they had the metal half doors with canvas door tops and full windscreen.

Hm, something new to know.

And what tipe is this Beford, ex my.

Radek

Radek · #32 16-05-08, 08:30

Here is the picture

David_Hayward (RIP) · #33 16-05-08, 20:10

This lorry has a wooden body with a van - type canopy. I don't think it's an Austin.
http://www.btinternet.com/~gmhistorian/lorry1.jpg

http://www.btinternet.com/~gmhistorian/lorry3.jpg

David_Hayward (RIP) · #34 16-05-08, 20:12

This is an unusal Austin K series...a K2? Note it's a cab with wooden body.
http://www.btinternet.com/~gmhistorian/lorry2.jpg

David_Hayward (RIP) · #35 16-05-08, 20:21

..on a postcard please!

As regards "T.C.M.T." it appears to mean therefore "TRAINING CENTRE, MOTOR TRANSPORT", which must have been the ATS showcase depot in Camberley, Surrey (there was later one in Edinburgh) which Princess Elizabeth trained at. However one source suggests that it was the MTTC, for "Motor Transport Training Centre". That makes more sense but the RASC-style plates do have "T.C.M.T." quite clearly.

Radek, I have now got the high resolution images of the Austins on a CD. There is one more of a 10hp Tilly being painted (1942?) and another with the front end of one/rear of another 10hp circa 1940. They are of excellent quality if you want to order copies direct...you can have prints or on a CD (which is better as you can print yourself).

Richard Farrant · #36 16-05-08, 23:11

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Originally Posted by David_Hayward

This is an unusal Austin K series...a K2? Note it's a cab with wooden body.
http://www.btinternet.com/~gmhistorian/lorry2.jpg

David,

Number on bonnet looks like 151156, or thereabouts, cannot see a prefix letter though. This would put it in a group of impressed vehicles, which fits as it has the civilian pattern radiator grille. Cannot see length of truck but probably a K2

Richard Farrant · #37 16-05-08, 23:14

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Originally Posted by David_Hayward

This lorry has a wooden body with a van - type canopy. I don't think it's an Austin.
http://www.btinternet.com/~gmhistorian/lorry1.jpg

David,

A Morris ambulance

David_Hayward (RIP) · #38 17-05-08, 10:57

That's a rare bird...a MCC Ambulance! I agree that the rad looks like a MCC one. THANKS.

Richard Farrant · #39 17-05-08, 13:04

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Originally Posted by David_Hayward

That's a rare bird...a MCC Ambulance! I agree that the rad looks like a MCC one. THANKS.

David,

There are one or two in preservation..or where. Pretty sure it was not MCC though, as it was a car derivitive and badged as just Morris.

David_Hayward (RIP) · #40 17-05-08, 18:56

V.3707 then, Morris ambulance. Ta!

Can anyone please answer this quandry:

Quote:

As regards "T.C.M.T." it appears to mean therefore "TRAINING CENTRE, MOTOR TRANSPORT", which must have been the ATS showcase depot in Camberley, Surrey (there was later one in Edinburgh) which Princess Elizabeth trained at. However one source suggests that it was the MTTC, for "Motor Transport Training Centre". That makes more sense but the RASC-style plates do have "T.C.M.T." quite clearly

David

Richard Farrant · #41 17-05-08, 21:35

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Originally Posted by David_Hayward

Can anyone please answer this quandry:

David,

The "M" stands for Mechanical.........not Motor

David_Hayward (RIP) · #42 17-05-08, 23:28

So TRAINING CENTRE MECHANICAL TRANSPORT then? Interesting to read how memories (online) have been corrupted over time. One source has it that it was No 1 Motor Transport Company, No.1 Mechanical Transport Training Centre, Camberley and it seems that this was correct (in a former boys' prep school). The plates therefore presumably represent "TRANSPORT COMPANY, MECHANICAL TRANSPORT"?

David_Hayward (RIP) · #43 18-05-08, 00:02

Nice car from the IWM collection. There are numerous shots on the IWM site.

Richard Farrant · #44 18-05-08, 00:26

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Originally Posted by David_Hayward

Nice car from the IWM collection. There are numerous shots on the IWM site.

A Vauxhall

David_Hayward (RIP) · #45 18-05-08, 00:37

Note the flutes on the bonnet!

No. 1 MT Co* consisted apparently of FANY members who carried patches on their ATS-style uniforms: “Women’s Transport Service FANY”, as depicted in a photo I have with a L/cpl instructor. It seems that the FANY personnel attached to the ATS were full members of the ATS, yet it seems an anomlay post-April 1941 when the ATS were given equal military status with men's services, yet FANY was civilian. It would appear that FANY members in the ATS became ATS personnel but retained their FANY loyalties, etc.

*At some stage there was another Training Centre set up in Edinburgh apparently.

Mike Kelly · #46 18-05-08, 12:04

David

Maybe you could enqire about the ATS insignia with Honeysuckle from 'Foyles war' ...she would be qualified .. she holds a degree in something or other and she does like driving around in that Wolesley . That plum accent of hers gets me in ... definately not a East end dialect .

Mike

David_Hayward (RIP) · #47 18-05-08, 12:37

I gathered from online comments that the car is in fact a 1946 or other post-war car, tricked-up to look like a pre-war version. I have a 1939 Wolseley advert with a printed photo of a car identical to that of the trainer car but of course there is no model description!

It does seem from blowing up photos that the L/Cpls and presumably Corporals were from the FANY.

David_Hayward (RIP) · #48 19-05-08, 09:25

I am going to post an extract of the windscrneen of the MCC C.2 as it in the right side are a tax disc, with "EXEMPT" on it, as we have seen before, and also a shtee typed up headed "DEFENCE OF THE REALM" with the "W.D. No. V..." which I thinks states that it is being driven on His Majesty's Service, so licensing etc. rules don't apply. I have often wondered when the regulations came in that a) no civvy-style Middlesex County Council rego need not to be used, and b)when the Road Fund License was no longer needed to be displayed (merely the "W.D. No." quoted).

Note also the 30-cwt C.2 was orignally prefixed , and as at the date of the photo,"V" for "Van" though by the time of the Census List this had become "L" for "Lorry".

David_Hayward (RIP) · #49 19-05-08, 11:07

Sorry about the hi-res but for reasons of clarity I left it as produced. I assume that under the Visiting Forces Act the Canadian vehicles landed by spring 1940 were exempt from tax discs, etc., and again on HM Service.

http://www.btinternet.com/~gmhistorian/aaw459a.jpg

Dusonn · #50 21-05-08, 17:26

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Originally Posted by Radek

Oh ye.

The MWV is with full metal cab? Has somebody any pictures of inside of this cab. Any years ago I have sold this Bedford (one of wery early model, maybe 1939) to my friend (he is behind my Austin) he made gread work on scrab lorry.

But until this time he hasn´t idea how looks orïginal seats.
Thanks Radek

Hi Radek,

to see the Bedford seats and interior, contact Vilem. We just brought original seats from the UK. His OYD and MWD are now nearly 100% original.
Regards Duson

Radek · #51 21-05-08, 20:03

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Originally Posted by Dusonn

Hi Radek,

to see the Bedford seats and interior, contact Vilem. We just brought original seats from the UK. His OYD and MWD are now nearly 100% original.
Regards Duson

Hi Duson,
I thing for us could be better speak in Czech.

But this is english speaking forum.

Radek