C8A s/n 3844515289 1943

[r.morrison]

Gentlemen: We are putting the finishing touchs on the surviving Prototype ZL HUM. I will be looking for a few small pieces, but at this point of the restoration, we are in serious need of a front bumper Anybody out there have one laying around, please email me at rob.mor@shaw.ca. Thanks very much.....Robert

[r.morrison]

Gentlemen: Although I posted this in the restoration forum, I thought it wouldn't hurt to put it here. I am currently finishing off the the surviving prototype C8 ZL Wireless Repair. However I am in need of a bumper, hopefully original, to finalize the project. The unit is currently located in Manitoba, just outside of Winnipeg and will be shipped to Vancouver this spring. So if anybody out there has an really nice one, contact me at rob.mor@shaw.ca to arrange the purchace and shipping. Many thanks for your help.....Robert

[r.morrison]

Original title: Prototype Mach-ZL 1943

Gentlemen: I need to put something to bed! I am interested to find out if there are any remaining Heavy Utility Machinery "ZL" C8A's out there! I mean, the real meal deal! I am in the process of delivery of mine, which I'm told is the only remaining survivor prototype. Chassis serial number 3844515289 with a rear mounted data plate Chrysler-NO MACH-ZL-1-068. Further information can be provided, if need be.

Many thanks for your help...Robert Morrison, Vancouver B.C.

[Phil Waterman]

Years (7+) ago I corresponded with someone in the NW US who had one that a restoration attempt had been made. But as far as it got was to dismantlement the truck and turn it into a basket case. The new owner of the disassembled HUM visited me on a trip to Boston and came up to see my HUP. I took him for a ride and let him drive mine trying to encourage him. I have some photos which I will try and find. Unfortunately our e-mails back and forth were on a computer that crashed so I don't have name or contact info. But I will look through my notes and see if I have a hard copy of anything with the pictures.

Cheers Phil

[Brian Gough]

Phil,

Would you be thinking of Mark Coombs of San Diego? He has a Mach ZL-2, serial 3844536671, built May 11/44 on contract LV2611. It was pictured in W&T 44, p. 45 - actually Bart Vanderveen credited you for first reporting on it.

Mark came to Oshawa a few years ago and saw all the HUPs here that we could find to show him. I too have no direct contact with him recently and I don't think he is around on this Forum.

Brian

[David_Hayward (RIP)]

I have just realised that I have the following listed under 2611:


3844536668 C.D.L.V. 2611 ENGINE # FR3,969,158 MACH-ZL2 MAY 11 1944
3844536671 C.D.L.V. 2611 ENGINE # FR3,969,368 MACH-ZL2 MAY 11 1944
3844536688 C.D.L.V. 2611 ENGINE # FR3,969,099 MACH-ZL2 MAY 12 1944
3844536691 C.D.L.V. 2611 ENGINE # FR3,96,8926 MACH-ZL2 MAY 15 1944
3844536696 C.D.L.V. 2611 MACH-ZL2 MAY 15 1944

[Phil Waterman]

Originally Posted by Brian Gough

Phil,

Would you be thinking of Mark Coombs of San Diego? He has a Mach ZL-2, serial 3844536671, built May 11/44 on contract LV2611. It was pictured in W&T 44, p. 45 - actually Bart Vanderveen credited you for first reporting on it.

Mark came to Oshawa a few years ago and saw all the HUPs here that we could find to show him. I too have no direct contact with him recently and I don't think he is around on this Forum.

Brian

Hi Brian

That's the name now I have a chance of finding the information in my own filling system. Now I know I've been collecting stuff on CMPs when some one else has to tell me what I have.

Cheers Phil

[r.morrison]

Phil, Brian and David....Many thanks for your input. From what I've gathered here and with your comments....looks like this is the only one left! I'll post some photos once it arrives, along with some pages of the manual. Sorry to be so late getting back to you all. Have a great week...Robert

[jeff davis]

I think there is one in Pitt meadows for sale soon
Jeff and Riley

[r.morrison]

Gentlemen: Just for you info, my ZL is on Ebay. Item # 281140387032. If you have any questions, you can PM me. Cheers......Robert

[rob love]

I threw a reasonable bid to get things started, but since I did not reach the reserve, it only shows the base bid. Good luck on your sale...it is a nice truck

Shame you have decided to let her go after waiting all those years for it.

[r.morrison]

Thanks for the bid Rob. Yeah.....it was a long wait, but I hadn't counted on a heart condition card being thrown into the deck! That wasn't part of the deal!! Took it out for a few drives locally and no "BS".......if you want to stop traffic, this is the M'F'er that'll do it! Hope it goes to a good home. Robert

[r.morrison]

Don't want to jinx the situation, especially on the restoration time!! Don't get me started! Ask Robbie Love.... There's a an old saying that "if you don't have your health....you don't have anything". As mentioned earlier, I've developed a serious heart condition, a "joker in the deck". I've made the decision to liquidate the hobby and downsize because it's just not possible with your heart operating at 30% capacity. It is with heavy heart (well that's a bad F'n pun) that it's all going on the block, but it is what it is. And if I can say quite seriously....the sudden, shocking, sad and untimely passing of Bob Moseley.... made me think very seriously about my decision. That's how quick life is! The next will be the C60L and the trailer and the rest of the bric a brac.....so stay tuned. I will keep you posted on the HUP after it closes on Ebay, but as of tonight....it's bags are packed and it's leaving the Canada. Cheers....Robert

[lssah2025]

Sorry to hear that Rob, but she is a beauty, hopefully all of them will be cared for like you have done...

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Now advertised on Milweb:

1943 Chevrolet HUP ZL Wireless Prototype

The last of the last is up for sale.
This is #68 of less than 100 prototypes manufactured as Wireless Repair Trucks. All the data plates come with it as proof. This unit has gone through a ground up restoration over the last 7 years and is currently about 90% complete. There are a few remaining things to finish on it, however it is finished enough to be licensed and driven on the roadway. All the hard work has been completed, it just needs be cosmetically finished. I have the remaining parts for completion as well as the extremely rare Chrysler Manual for outfitting the back end of the truck. Also comes with a maintenance and parts manual. Truck has brand new 10:50 X 16 Chevron Tires and tubes.I have tons of photos or info if needed.

Price: $25,000.00 or nearest reasonable offer. Shipping can be arranged world wide at buyers expense. Terms can be offered to the the right buyer.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

As is Robert's C60L:

1944 Chevrolet Cab 13 C60L
A beautiful CMP and one of less than 6 on the road today in Canada. This was the most manufactured model of all the CMP's during WW11.

This unit has approximately 16,000 original miles on it and is completely rust free. It comes with a war time 235cu. inch engine plus a 20,000 lb winch connected to the drive train. The brake system has been completely overhauled professionally including new bearings and seals in the axles. The carburetor has been professionally rebuilt along with a new ignition system and exhaust system. The truck was repainted last year in the early Canadian olive drab color.

Included with the truck are 6 pow tins with war time pad locks, NOS canvas radiator cover, NOS canvas window curtain bag, window curtains (need to be restored), shovel and pick axe, 50 foot tow rope and maintenance manual. I have the canvas for the back, but it's pretty well shot. A new one can be negotiated.

You can see the truck on You tube under "Vancouver Canada Day Parade On Shaw TV" part 1 about 5 minutes into the video

Price and terms: Asking price is $13,000.00 or best reasonable offer. Terms can apply to the right buyer upon discussion. Unit can be shipped anywhere in the world. If you require more photos of info, please contact me.

Location: Vancouver Canada
Robert Morrison : 604 618-4799

[r.morrison]

Gentlemen: Hope all is well. Again, due to health reasons, I am down sizing a lot. I have put my 1943 ZL on Milweb for sale. You can check it out there for the details. Again like the my 15 CWT currently up for grabs, all info and conversations will remain private and I ask that it be kept that way on the MLU forum. AND if a guy by the name of Andy from Ontario inquires..."Pound Salt in Siberia".
The unit was already privately sold, but after a long hard realty check(age) it was decided to pass. Serious offers only and if you have any questions or need any more photos, you can do so through Milweb.
Again....this is not to take anything away from this Forum, which is a supreme entity within itself.
Thanks for looking.....Robert

Oh... and PS to the uneducated masses....I had an email today, among many, from a fellow that was working on a "Frankenstein" 1955 GMC 4X4. Things were not going at all well so he thought he could possibly buy the ZL and torch the living "s---t" out of it to make it into a camper/caravan unit.
Out of courtesy to the management....I can not repeat on this forum what I said to him, where I told him to go and to save his money and go get an education!
Have a nice week R.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Hello Morty,

Just to bring this to your attention, in this thread I have merged others to collect data on the C8A you now own in one place.

It has a list of known MACH-ZL2 serial numbers, these were all delivered under contract CDLV 2611, Oddly enough, yours was delivered under contract LV 1679. If yours is indeed (one of) the prototype(s), it may be an explanation that they pulled a regular HUP off the line for conversion.

After the conversion was approved, Chevrolet may have been given an separate contract for the MACH-ZL2. This is all conjecture and would need to be confirmed (or invalidated) by further research.

HTH,
Hanno

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Ads from when it was for sale back in 2014:

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/1943-CMP-CHE...-/281342953218

https://bangshift.com/bangshiftxl/ba...ck-found-ebay/

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Lorne Ertl was one of the previous owners, see e.g.:

http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...164#post122164

http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...711#post204711

HTH,
Hanno

[M.Morren]

Thank you, Hanno!

Here are the oldest photos I have of the HUM. These were taken before the first restoration by Roy Wellburn in Williams Lake, BC.


I got the scan of the photo from the back from Colin Stevens, while the other photo came with the truck.


Here are some photos that were taken while the truck was in Williams Lake.



Here are photos of the truck in March 2019

[M.Morren]

Some more photos from while the truck was in Roy's collection.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Hello Marty,

Thanks for sharing those pictures of your truck's early days. Hopefully others who know this C8A will help in piecing together it's history.

Hanno

[M.Morren]

And finally a photo of the data plates on the back.


Here some clear photos with the numbers clearly visible.


The Chrysler plate is interesting. It suggests that there were quite a few ZL-1 variants built.

[M.Morren]

Here are some clearer photos of the dash plates.



These do indeed suggest that Zl-1s were converted HUPs. The body tag suggests the same.

[M.Morren]

Where would a ZL-1 fit in the RCEME structure?
I'm planning to dress my truck up as RCEME in the 5th Armored Div. Now I need to know where it fitts in the best. Presumably not the Light Aid Detachments?

Cheers!

[M.Morren]

Currently adding markings to the truck. I decided to go with census CZ 4212641. I am planning on adding the unit and formation markings this week. The truck will be dressed up as 5th Armored and RCEME, 5th Armored brigade workshop (99).

[James P]

^ Nice truck.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Looking good, Marty!

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by M.Morren

Here are photos of the truck in March 2019

Attaching these pics here so they can be viewed: