CMP engine swaps

Keith Webb · #1 29-12-12, 22:19

Ryan's posting of a Fordson 4D engine in this thread has started me thinking about how many different engine types have been seen transplanted into CMPs over the past 70 years.

Here's a list of some I've seen:

Chev 216 into Fords in Burma
Other Chev swaps include the 235, 261, 270 and 292 Mexican engine
Bedford 6 cyl
Ford Falcon 6 cyl
Ford Windsor V8
Ford 21 stud flathead
Ford 8BA flathead
Ford 6 cyl truck engine
Dodge V8
Toyota Land Cruiser 6 cyl
Perkins 4 cyl diesel

There have been other 6 cylinder diesels I couldn't identify.

Who has others to add to this list?

Phil Waterman · #2 29-12-12, 22:40

Hi Keith

Interesting thread idea, and we must not forget that the Rebuild Facility in Egypt was known for putting Ford V8s into almost anything, according to Bill Gregg's Blue Print for Victory. Why we at it has anybody got a photo of a surviving one of these?

Cheers Phil

Richard Farrant · #3 29-12-12, 23:15

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Originally Posted by Keith Webb

Who has others to add to this list?

Hi Keith,
I can add two more to your list;

Bedford 200 4-cyl diesel (John Marchant's Chev HUP)
Austin 3.5 litre 6 cyl petrol (in a Cab 11 or 12 Ford)

if I set my mind back others, I have a feeling I've come across a Perkins P6 in one.

Ryan · #4 30-12-12, 00:11

Holden 6 cyl (179 in my case ) into Ford F15 cab 13.

Tony Smith · #5 30-12-12, 01:47

Some other threads on this topic HERE, and HERE.

Tony Smith · #6 30-12-12, 01:50

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Originally Posted by Phil Waterman

Hi Keith

Interesting thread idea, and we must not forget that the Rebuild Facility in Egypt was known for putting Ford V8s into almost anything, according to Bill Gregg's Blue Print for Victory. Why we at it has anybody got a photo of a surviving one of these?

Cheers Phil

Believe it or not, Ford actually distributed a conversion kit! It involved a stamped steel front mounting that replicated the Chev mount, and an adapter on the Ford integral bellhousing that mated to the chev gearbox, eliminating the Chev bellhousing and clutch arrangement. The early ones were cast steel (rarities these days), but were later popularly copied in alloy by Offenhauser, Cragar and others. I think more people should put Ford Flatheads in Chevs, it would make the world a nicer sounding place.

Grant Bowker · #7 30-12-12, 02:48

The Offenhauser adapter from Ford block to Chev transmission shown above is still available, at least at http://www.summitracing.com/parts/ofy-5272 and likely other sources. They seem to be aiming at people who own an early Ford and want to put a more modern Chev bolt pattern transmission behind the flathead. There is also a 5174 part # as well as the 5272, I have no idea which (if any) better fits the Chev transmission in the CMPs.
Has anyone seen a modern source for the front mount plate shown? I'm not in a rush to do it, just curious if the parts are still "off-the-shelf". The next obvious question would be radiator and mountings, then how it would fit in the CMP cab since the Chev doghouse/engine cover was narrower than the Ford when I last measured.

aj.lec · #8 30-12-12, 04:24

Ford Cleveland too
Yes they do fit ...just

Ryan · #9 30-12-12, 05:59

I remember you originally posting that Blitz Andrew. It's awesome. Did you ever go back and talk to the guy?

aj.lec · #10 30-12-12, 07:24

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Originally Posted by Ryan

I remember you originally posting that Blitz Andrew. It's awesome. Did you ever go back and talk to the guy?

I was over that way a few months ago and someone else has picked it up as it is no longer there. Whether moved or sold I dont know

Mike Kelly · #11 30-12-12, 09:03

Back in 1976 , I spotted a Blitz in an old wrecking yard at Laurel Hill, NSW . It had been re - engined with a straight 8 cyl. side valve motor . Cannot recall the make of the motor . Mike

Lynn Eades · #12 30-12-12, 10:21

I remember one about 40 miles from here with a 350 chev, and an auto.
I just remembered the truck was a Ford (F30?) as I collected V8 engine bits from him.

hrpearce · #13 30-12-12, 12:47

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Originally Posted by Richard Farrant

if I set my mind back others, I have a feeling I've come across a Perkins P6 in one.

My neighbour has a Ford with a P6 in it.

Richard Farrant · #14 30-12-12, 13:14

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Originally Posted by hrpearce

My neighbour has a Ford with a P6 in it.

Hi Robert,
I was not dreaming then! Actually, in the 1950's Perkins produced kits to re-engine a lot of petrol vehicles with the P6, amongst them would be Fords, Austin K2 and K4, Humber cars, Commers, Bedfords and so on. The CMP I was thinking of was a company that made concrete framed farm buildings and they had erection teams equiped mostly with ex-army modified vehicles with jibs on.

Happy New Year to you and the family, see you in March.
regards,
Richard

Tony Wheeler · #15 30-12-12, 18:15

346 Cadillac V8 fitted to F60S, complete with spare motor! Perhaps the pair came out of a Stuart. This would be an excellent conversion but for the nose extension requirement. Superior design to the Ford in that the exhaust ports exit on the correct side.

Tony Wheeler · #16 30-12-12, 20:03

318 V8 with auto trans! Donor vehicle appears to have been a Valiant Regal, possibly VC judging by steering wheel and dash. They even used the radiator!

Tony Wheeler · #17 30-12-12, 20:52

Anyone recognize this?

Richard Farrant · #18 30-12-12, 20:58

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Originally Posted by Tony Wheeler

Anyone recognize this?

From the rocker box and manifold, it looks like a Bedford, but I would need to see more of the block to be sure as some Chevs have similar lines.

hrpearce · #19 31-12-12, 11:58

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Originally Posted by Richard Farrant

From the rocker box and manifold, it looks like a Bedford, but I would need to see more of the block to be sure as some Chevs have similar lines.

I would say Bedford as both my Cheves have the manifolds on the other side.

Richard Farrant · #20 31-12-12, 12:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by hrpearce

I would say Bedford as both my Cheves have the manifolds on the other side.

I have just realised this is not a Bedford or a Chev (they both have their manifolds on the left). Maybe it is a Jap motor? The manifold is very GM/Bedford in design, I even wondered if the photo was reversed but can see it is not.

hrpearce · #21 31-12-12, 12:17

Richard this is the chev blitz the chev 1100 is up the paddock in the dark.
You are right Richard the Bedford is the same as the Chev so that engine carn't be Bedfotrd.

Richard Farrant · #22 31-12-12, 12:36

Robert, it looks that I changed my last post as you put yours up

Kootenay Cruiser · #23 21-01-13, 14:32

I'm currently in the process of shoe horning in a Chevy 350 into my F15a

Hanno Spoelstra · #24 21-01-13, 19:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard Farrant

I have just realised this is not a Bedford or a Chev (they both have their manifolds on the left). Maybe it is a Jap motor? The manifold is very GM/Bedford in design, I even wondered if the photo was reversed but can see it is not.

Isn't the Toyota engine based on the Chevrolet / Bedford 6-in-line?

I'm sure our Australian friends can help us out, they changed over from British to Japanese vehicles en masse.

H.

aj.lec · #25 21-01-13, 21:12

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Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

Isn't the Toyota engine based on the Chevrolet / Bedford 6-in-line?

I'm sure our Australian friends can help us out, they changed over from British to Japanese vehicles en masse.

The early toyota FJ45 motors were based on a chev motor with better oil circulation and side engine mounts
The engine in the picture is not a Toyota FJ45 engine as the manifolds are the same side a a Chev and picture is opposite
Also tappet cover is not the same

lynx42 · #26 21-01-13, 22:16

Not sure, but it might be an International. The carby looks like an Inter one.

Hanno Spoelstra · #27 21-01-13, 22:47

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Originally Posted by Tony Smith

Some other threads on this topic HERE, and HERE.

And HERE.

H.

Corey Myronuk · #28 28-01-13, 06:17

I'm gearing up to swap a 337 ford 8EQ with a spicer 3053a overdrive trans out of an M35a2 into my F60L with shortened wheelbase.A Gama goat detroit diesel 2 stroke 3-53 is a nice fit also.If it turns out the 337 just wont fit that will be plan "B"

maple_leaf_eh · #29 28-01-13, 16:07

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Originally Posted by hrpearce

Richard this is the chev blitz the chev 1100 is up the paddock in the dark.
You are right Richard the Bedford is the same as the Chev so that engine carn't be Bedford.

That is a good shot of the floorpan and wheel arches too.

maple_leaf_eh · #30 28-01-13, 16:17

Not sticking my finger in anyone's eye here. I am comparing this conversation about putting replacement engines and transmissions into what amount to work trucks, to some themes in the firearms community. When another engine is plopped into a CMP, is its value raised or lowered? Is a converted No.4 Lee Enfield more or less desireable than one that is in stock service condition?

At the moment I have three guns listed on another forum. In a CMP context one is a motor pool daily driver, the second a limited issue specialist version, and the third is a full postwar customization.

The 1943 Long Branch rack grade rebuilt rifle sold in a heartbeat for the asking price of $400. (Which I guess means it was underpriced.) It was one I put back together with correct, good condition Canadian parts. The E.A.L. factory made .303 survival rifle, built on a No.4 receiver and parts, languished for longer than I expected but sold for $550. It is clearly scarcer and much more collectable than a generic wartime No.4. The highly modified and really thoughfully built No.4 target rifle isn't getting half as much attention.