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Old 10-01-07, 12:25
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The list is about 15 pages long
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Old 11-01-07, 22:26
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Here's a picture of the tilt frame mounting. It's propped up a few inches so you can see how it works. The channel has a piece of flat iron welded across the top of it that the mounting bolt and the top bow goes through too. This would be so the wing nut is out in the open where you can get at it from the top. I don't have the wing nuts so it just has 5/16 bolts and nuts holding it now. Notice that the end bows are threaded where they protrude through the bottom of the channel so the legs can thread on. The centre bows stick through too but they aren't threaded. The channel is wide enough so the ends of the bows are beyond the outside of the box itself. From pictures I've seen it looks like a pipe coupler threads on to them, then a short pipe (6" or so) and then a long coupler. The hinged leg setup goes up into this long coupler and must be able to move up and down but not fall out. This way when the legs are in use the hinge will be up inside the coupler and won't be able to hinge any more. If anybody has a better idea on how this works, let me know. It doesn't show in the picture but the two footman loops for the strap that stows the legs are still there on the side of the box. The twisting knobs that hold the front of the canvas inside the box are there too.
Does anyone have any details of how the radio was attached?
Mike, I have a few pages of that list, but would appreciate it if you would send a copy of the whole thing. Thanks.
That picture above with the body on my S10 was taken in Biggar, Sask., where the world record whitetail deer was shot.

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Old 11-01-07, 22:30
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David..
I believe you are right...That sure looks like a pipe thread...
Been a gas fitter for 100 years so saw a few in my day..
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Old 12-01-07, 12:09
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Ah ! Excellent David , slowly but surely we are putting together the whole story for future 8 cwt restorers .

I had no idea about those threads on the end .

Can you tell what gauge the U channel is ? Is it 1/8" thick

I tried some drawings of the frame mounts some years ago , but I was only guessing . Your pics clear it up a lot .

In the pic below , you can see the threads just visible on the lower folding pipe section .

The radio sat on a wooden bench on the forward Rh side . Battery boxes sat on the floor and the radios ancillaries were mounted along the RH side .

Can you PM me your postal address please .

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Old 12-01-07, 12:23
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I have been piecing it all together , but only having photos to go by , its been very difficult . You have a head start , having the real thing in your hand , so to speak .

Would love a drawing with the frame dimensions , e.g., height and details . But , I appreciate that you must have other things to do .

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Old 12-01-07, 12:38
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General view of the repro body I built . Plans kindly drawn up and supplied by Ian Richardson of Carnforth, Lancs. U.K.

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Old 12-01-07, 23:15
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Here's a top view of the tilt frame. The channel is 3" x 1" outside measurement. It's 57.25" long and is made from 1/8" stock. The top plates are 2" x 3" and are welded on flush with the end of the channel then the end caps are welded on so the channel ends up being 57.5" long.

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Old 12-01-07, 23:33
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Here's a picture of the back end.The sign holder got bent on loading but you can see that the rest is quite straight. There's even one of the hinges still there. It only has the hole for the tail light on the drivers side while some pictures show them on both sides. If it looks cold in the picture that's because it was 15 below F with quite a wind. I'm waiting for it to warm up a few degrees before unloading. Maybe in a few days.

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1942-44 Cab 13 F15A x 5
1942 cab 13 F15A with 2B1 box
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Old 13-01-07, 12:13
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Yes that white stuff has me worried . So foreign to us here .

Got the channel dimensions OK , good .

Will keep in touch for further updates .

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Old 14-01-07, 04:46
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Here's a picture of an 11 set in place in the truck from the NZ history site. It's the only photo I've been able to find that shows the equipment in the back. They must have used that netting to secure the equipment when moving.
Does anyone have any more photos that show the equipment in place?

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1942-44 Cab 13 F15A x 5
1942 cab 13 F15A with 2B1 box
1943 cab 13 F15A with 2H1 box
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Old 14-01-07, 04:58
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Here's the measurements for the top bows. The bow pipes stick through the channels 3/4". The vertical measurements are made from the end of the bow.

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1942-44 Cab 13 F15A x 5
1942 cab 13 F15A with 2B1 box
1943 cab 13 F15A with 2H1 box
1943 Cab 13 C8A HUP
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Old 15-01-07, 12:40
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got it saved ...... that just about has it all done .

Now for the wireless fitments ...... more headaches and guessing

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Old 18-01-07, 19:15
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I figured out why the centre lengthwise pipe on the top bow assembly is bolted in and the rest of the assembly is all welded together. In that NZ picture of the operator in the back of the truck you can see that the centre pipe is covered in canvas. You'd slide the pipe into a sewn in pocket in the canvas and then bolt the pipe into place, then finish installing the cover. This way, if you wanted to roll up the cover, it would end up stowed on top of the bow assembly.
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Old 19-01-07, 06:14
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This is a drawing showing the placement of the bolt holes in the floor of the 1A2 body. This was from an 11 cab truck so is the early version and it has holes for the three seat version. With two seats there's two different sets of holes for the rear seat. The second set would move the seat to the left of centre of the body and move it about 8" forward. I haven't seen any photos with the rear seat in this location.
The holes are all for 5/16" bolts.

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Old 19-01-07, 10:52
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David ,

I was going to ask about the seat hole locations , seems that you have read my mind .

Yes, makes sense re: the centre bow of the top frame being bolted in .

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Old 04-02-07, 00:41
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This has been fantastic reading, especially from the point of view that i was going to have to try and do something about the frame for the canvas this year. The vehicle I have was (I think) one of the long bodied C8s but had a repro tub with toolboxes etc fitted by the previous owner.
Let me know what you think gents (It featured in the magazine Tracks & wheels No 1 page 53 in its unrestored guise), if anyone can shed any light on it it would be greatly appreciated.

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Old 20-03-07, 00:56
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I finally got to go and see about the 1A2 endgate today and ended up with the whole box. The rest of the box is pretty roughed up but it has the original tail light assembly and a POW holder that I can use.
To my surprise I went into an auto parts store looking for a master cylinder rebuild kit and the parts guy went in the back and grabbed one. It's the same as is used in the 37 to 50 three tons. He apologized because he only had enough rubbers for one wheel cylinder but he's getting more out of Regina and they'll be here tomorrow. Total price $47.

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1943 cab 13 F15A with 2H1 box
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The step on the inside of the endgate is still in place.

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Old 20-03-07, 02:57
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The vehicle I have was (I think) one of the long bodied C8s but had a repro tub with toolboxes etc fitted by the previous owner.
Let me know what you think gents (It featured in the magazine Tracks & wheels No 1 page 53 in its unrestored guise)

Colin, it sure has come a long way!

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David ,

When you have the time . Could you take a photo of the tail light mounting bracket for the rubber bodied tail lights ?

Thanks

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Old 20-03-07, 17:55
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Colin, it sure has come a long way!

H.
Thats the one, it was pretty rough indeed!
I thought it might be a long body because of some details. One I was looking at was the frame located between the wheels just below the back of the cab, thought it was the holder for a petrol tank? I'm sure someone out in the forum could shed some light.
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Old 22-03-07, 03:00
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There's a 1947 farm license plate on the box I recently hauled home so you can tell how long the farmer used it. He must have hauled a lot of rocks with it though judging by how badly the floor and sides are bent up.
Mike, the taillight bracket is made from 3/16" material. It's 4 3/4" wide; the horizontal flange is 4 3/4" and the vertical flange is 2". The bottom corners are 1" radius and the center of the bulb holes are 2 1/2" apart and 1" from the bottom. The bolt hole centers are 2 1/2" apart. The bolt hole centers in the box are 4 1/2" and 7" from the side of the box and 3 1/4" from the rear of the box.
Do you have the measurements for the step that goes below the endgate?

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Old 26-03-07, 00:09
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Here's another C8 data plate but this one isn't mine. The serial number is only 150 away from mine.
Colin, those side gas tank mounts are made of angle iron and the originals weren't, so it likely had the short box originally. Anyone replacing the box had to move the tanks so the other box would fit.

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1943 cab 13 F15A with 2H1 box
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Old 26-03-07, 11:10
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0842000490
Thanks for that plate details...this is how the database stands now:

0842000509
0842000511
0842000525
0842000542
0842000579
ENGINE # TRA2,801,411
0842001053 ENGINE # TRA2,802,180
IN AUSTRALIA 08420xxxxxx: ENGINE # TRA2,802,220
08420xxxxxx ENGINE #TRA2,802,530
ENGINE # TRA2,802,566
0842002521 ENGINE # TRA2,812,442 F.C.98
0842002538
0842002577
0842002584
0842002671 ENGINE # TRA2,812,410
0842002673 ENGINE # TRA2,822,408
0842002756 ENGINE # TRA2,807,197
0842002789
0842002855
084205608 ENGINE # TRA2,814,228

So far as I know all British deliveries were #11 or # 12 Cab 1941 deliveries. However BM/2V83.WS6 (D)? or BM/2783.WS6(D) relates to a contract that I believe covered acquisition of ex-Canadian orders assembled in the UK and then acquired by the British for the Mid-East

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Old 26-03-07, 13:14
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Many thanks David, that makes me feel better, don't have to look into trying to get another tub.
Next question would be if I have any way of confirming manufacturing date etc without the data plate, unfortunately I have no ID plates on the inside of the cab.
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Old 26-03-07, 14:29
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Colin, I am conjecting the truck is ex-Canadian rather than British althoughy there were evidently a very few ex-Canadian assembled trucks sold to the Ministry of Supply for UK use:

Z 4183685 to 4183692 Contract BM/2V83.WS6 (D) or BM/2783.WS6(D) "TRUCK 8 CWT. 4 X 2 GS".
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1842007132
8420x2 # 12 CAB 1842008354 ENGINE # ZR3,692,055 Z 4544183 S.M. 2029
1842008380
1842008410
1842008485
1842008487
1842008526
1842008570
1842008925
8420x2 1842018573 ENGINE # ZR3,715,534 Z 4548484 S.M. 2029
[1]84[201]2042 Z 4544971 S.M. 2029
1842012305
1842012403
1842012558
1842012657
[1]8420x213915
184201440x
8420x2 1842014886 IN AUSTRALIA ENGINE # ZR3,703,271 S.M. 2029
1842014915
1842014989
1842014993
1842016278
1842016302
1842016388
1842016401
1842016440
1842017266
1842017323
1842017397
1842017431
1842017463
1842017497
1842018542
1842018573 ENGINE # ZR3,716,534
1842018641
1842018649
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Old 26-03-07, 14:31
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2842001192 ENGINE # WR3,765,985
2842001330 ENGINE # WR3,766,091
2842001378
2842001395
2842001422
2842001427
2842001497

PRODUCTION TERMINATED LATE 1941
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Old 27-03-07, 02:11
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I just noticed that one of the floor panels on my C8 has a different pattern on it. Has anyone else come across this? The one on the left is the different one. I'm going to check my parts shed to see if I've got one to match the rest.

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Old 27-03-07, 11:50
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Would there be a location on the chassis etc that would have the ID or was it put on the plate in the cab and that was it?
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