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Jason Graveline 24-03-13 04:46

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Originally Posted by servicepub (Post 176411)
Note the roundel. No Canadian markings but the photo comes from the RCAF archives collection

http://www.servicepub.com/images/file0236a.jpg

TAF 83 and 143W would suggest 83 Group, 143 Wing RAF. A quick search indicates 143 Wing was a Typhoon formation comprised of 168 Sqn RAF and the RCAF's 438, 439 and 440 Sqns.

Hanno Spoelstra 24-03-13 23:02

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Originally Posted by Larry Hayward (Post 175110)
Returning to an old post I have a question for Hanno and other Jeep fans. In British service in WW2 the sidelights on many Jeeps were typically moved to the mudguards, so I'm told as these lights needed to match the width of the vehicle for our road laws

However in the photo of the 'RAF' Jeep you posted with the pilots and Spitfire to one side, the side lights are still in their factory built location and the same is seen in the later photo of the RCAF Jeep from 39R Wing / 400 Sqn.

Could this mean that both Jeeps are in fact RCAF Jeeps that have been allocated direct to the Canadians? Or did we get bored with moving sidelights in 1944/45. Perhaps the Jeep numbers might reveal the production batch and who got them?

Larry,

In "The Wartime Jeep in British Service" by Gavin Birch lists the modifications carried out by the British to have them comply to their requirements. But due to the pressures of war only relatively few were converted as such. I would have to look up the details, but one cannot draw the conclusion those Jeeps were allocated direct to the Canadians because it does not have the British modifications.

servicepub (RIP) 24-03-13 23:13

Canadians obtained jeeps three ways; the majority via direct purchase from Ford and Willys, a significant number of used vehicles purchased from the US Army, and a small number obtained from the British War Office.
Eric Booth's booklet "The WWII Jeep in Canadian Service" describes these acquisitions.
Clive

Colin Macgregor Stevens 15-09-13 23:12

RCAF markings ##-### Home service DND #
 
The photo of the jeep with the markings
"R.C.A.F. 35-689" is almost certainly in Canada.
This is the 1943 style DND number system used in Canada which replaced the earlier system e.g. 42-1-1234.

Normally an RCAF station would also show two letters with the DND number to indicate the station the vehicle was attached to e.g.
Comox = CX
Sea Island = SI

The RCAF did ship at least one HUP overseas in WWII with the DND number still in place but overseas they usually adopted a British registration number.

Colin
:no4:

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Originally Posted by servicepub (Post 176410)
I don't know much about RCAF vehicle census numbers so cannot state that these are in Canada, UK or...?

http://www.servicepub.com/images/rcafjeep.jpg

http://www.servicepub.com/images/rds77-108.jpg http://www.servicepub.com/images/rcafjeep2.jpg


Colin Macgregor Stevens 15-09-13 23:26

Sidelights/Convoy Lights
 
My 1944 Willys MB jeep came out of Norway surplus in the mid-1980s and appears to have been in British Airborne service before the Norwegians got it. I uncovered Norwegian service markings and the original USA Registration number (on the front bumper!) but as the hood (bonnet) had been changed in service there were no British markings. :-( None on the sides or rear either. I like to think that it was one of the many that were left behind in Norway after 1 Airborne Division & SAS Bde liberated Norway in May 1945. I say this because mine had some British features:
1. Four holes in the top of each fender (wing) for the airborne stowage racks
2. Sidelights/convoy lights had been moved to the wings/fenders, but later moved back into the grille and the holes in the fenders/wings were welded shut.
3. Oil dipstick cap painted red
4. British style hinged door mounts on side of windshield frame.

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Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra (Post 177836)
Larry,

In "The Wartime Jeep in British Service" by Gavin Birch lists the modifications carried out by the British to have them comply to their requirements. But due to the pressures of war only relatively few were converted as such. I would have to look up the details, but one cannot draw the conclusion those Jeeps were allocated direct to the Canadians because it does not have the British modifications.

Hanno


Chris Preston 16-09-15 06:02

Photos of postwar RCN and RCAF Jeeps
 
Greetings All,

Does anyone have information on colours and markings carried by Jeeps used by the RCN and RCAF in the 1950's and 1960's?

I've seen one photo of a restored RCN jeep and one of another RCN jeep being hoisted ashore (or back onboard) HMCS ONTARIO, date U/K, colours and markings.......U/K.

I've had no luck in finding information on postwar RCAF Jeeps.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers,

Chris Preston,
Victoria, BC,
Canada

Hanno Spoelstra 11-01-21 14:27

RCN CJ-3A jeep
 
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I know it is not a wartime photo. But you may be interested to see this Canadian Navy Jeep, as info on Jeeps in RCN service is so rare.

It looks this is a bog standard CJ-3A Universal Jeep, shiny paint and all. Big question: which colour would they have chosen from the catalogue? Ref. https://www.kaiserwillys.com/about_w..._history_specs

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A Jeep that was destroyed during a 52 degree roll while HMCS Crusader was sailing to Hong Kong, 25 January 1954

Attachment 119052
source: https://www.thememoryproject.com/sto...:donald-raven/

Hanno Spoelstra 11-01-21 23:00

another RCN CJ-3A jeep
 
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From Rob Grieve, another RCN CJ-3A:

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Here is a photo of a M38 (or CJ2) onboard the HMCS Assiniboine (DDE234) in the late 1950's. Note the civilian tires, large fender mounted turn signals and the white headlight rims without the headlight guards. I like the extra large rear window in the canvas top. The seaman is Andrew Macnaugton.

Attachment 119071
Reply by Tom McLean:
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"The Capt's Jeep - got my DND license driving that very jeep. Used to run errands around the dockyard and to get "walk-through" spare parts from the stores in Collwood. Carried on deck on the Assiniboine, covered by tarp, kept painted with red wheel wells. Only 2-wheel drive. Still in use in the early 1960's until the helo deck was fitted."
If it was 2WD, then it must have been a DJ-3A (D for Dispatcher) built from 1955 - 1965. Apparently the US Navy used DJ-3A's as well: http://www.ewillys.com/2018/06/19/19...unty-ca-12500/ - http://www.ewillys.com/2010/03/19/19...sant-il-12000/

Barry Churcher 12-01-21 19:55

Does anyone know the proper letters for BCATP Station Fort Macleod, #7 Service Flying Training School? I would guess FM but would like to know for sure.
Thanks Barry

Grant Bowker 12-01-21 20:30

The current ICAO (International Civil Aviation Organization) identifier for the Fort MacLeod airport is CEY3. Sorry, but I don't have information on the period identifier. ICAO is a postwar creation (1947) so there may not be any linkage between the airport designators then and now. But, if you are lucky, they might just have added the C at the beginning to identify Canada.

Looking at the satellite image at https://www.google.com/maps/place/Fo...4d-113.4147974 the current airport is clearly on the site of the BCATP airport.

Bruce Parker (RIP) 15-01-21 01:25

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Originally Posted by servicepub (RIP) (Post 176403)
Navy, Army, Air Force jeeps on parade.

http://www.servicepub.com/images/img_4610 cf loga.jpg

If ever a photograph need colourizing it is this one. My humble attempt:

Hanno Spoelstra 24-01-21 16:47

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Another Jeep next to a C60L in service with 126 wing 403 Squadron, RCAF:

Attachment 119413
Source: https://www.flickr.com/photos/britis...57688051774645

Lars R. 19-08-21 13:19

RCN 278 (or 276?) inspecting Halifax explosion damage in 1945. Looks like a very dark blue...inside tub and frame horns still OD

http://www.surfacezero.com/g503/data...RCN278_276.jpg

Nova Scotia Archives

Lars R. 19-08-21 21:57

Local Mayors Butler and Lloyd and Admiral Jones inspecting Halifax explosion damage (1945) in Jeep RCN 261:

http://www.surfacezero.com/g503/data...Inspection.bmp

Nova Scotia Archives

It seems the dark (blue?) colour is only slightly sprayed on the outside. See top bob brackets and shadow of windshiled in upright position...White lining...

Lars R. 19-08-21 22:03

Halifax Mayor Lloyd at wheel of RCN Shore Patrol Jeep (GPW)...undated.

http://www.surfacezero.com/g503/data...yornavyGPW.jpg

Nova Scotia Archives

Ed Storey 20-08-21 15:22

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Originally Posted by Lars R. (Post 281351)
Local Mayors Butler and Lloyd and Admiral Jones inspecting Halifax explosion damage (1945) in Jeep RCN 261:

http://www.surfacezero.com/g503/data...Inspection.bmp

Nova Scotia Archives

It seems the dark (blue?) colour is only slightly sprayed on the outside. See top bob brackets and shadow of windshiled in upright position...White lining...

I like the pinstriping that no-one would believe if you showed up with a restored Jeep in that paintjob.

Hanno Spoelstra 20-08-21 17:59

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Originally Posted by Ed Storey (Post 281360)
I like the pinstriping that no-one would believe if you showed up with a restored Jeep in that paintjob.

The Navy has always been more classy than the Army :smoker:

Lars R. 21-08-21 00:03

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Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra (Post 281367)
The Navy has always been more classy than the Army :smoker:

...there is probably a polished brass bell under the hood and no 6 V horn!!! :note:

Hanno Spoelstra 20-12-22 14:34

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Peter Hall "found these photos at Kew today in the records of 409 Repair & Salvage Unit, RCAF. Quite a construction!"

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