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08-03-10, 06:37
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CFR History required for latest purchase.
I recently picked up a CF 1986 M1010 Ambulance from auction.
We have been disccusing it on a thread the in the For Sale forum. And I was wondering if any would be kind enoguh to run the CFR for me so I know the history of it. Gilles sugested that he had info that it had been deployed 3 times. But it would be nice to know more. The CFR I belive is 77626 That is the number that was scribbled on the side window beside CFR. The VIN is 1GCHD34J3GF306080 Thanks. Matthew 
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08-03-10, 14:48
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Heres what I can find:
CFR Information CFR No 77626 CFR Year 1986 Serial No 1GCHD34J3GF306080 Actual ECC 123527 Authorized ECC 123527 NSN 2310-01-123-2666 ERN 30212 Holding Unit 3027 DA Unit 3027 Date Acquired 17-Sep-86 Cost 38098 Alloc Code MB Comm Suite Current VMO DLP17092 - 02-Feb-09 HN Date 19-Mar-09 Pending? No Disposed? No Disposal Date VMO History for CFR Number : 77626 VMO Type Pending To ECC To AC To HUIC To DA UIC DLP17092 - 02-Feb-09 REGULAR No 123527 MB 3027 3027 Area Support Unit London E02-0105 - 06-Mar-02 REGULAR No 123527 DX 3027 5167 23 (Hamilton) Field Ambulance E02-0012 - 17-Jan-02 REGULAR No 123527 CS 3027 3027 Area Support Unit London E01-0268 - 11-Dec-01 REGULAR No 123527 CS 3027 3027 Area Support Unit London DP350007 - 04-Jun-93 REGUL No 123527 CN 0107 0107 Canadian Forces Base/Area Support Unit Petawawa DP359006 - 04-Jun-93 UPDAT No 123527 NX 0107 0107 Canadian Forces Base/Area Support Unit Petawawa DP359781 - 21-May-93 REGUL No 123527 DX 0124 5167 23 (Hamilton) Field Ambulance F92-475 - 24-Sep-92 COMDV No 123527 NX 0107 0107 Canadian Forces Base/Area Support Unit Petawawa DP355399 - 29-Mar-90 REGUL No 123527 CN 0107 0107 Canadian Forces Base/Area Support Unit Petawawa DP353398 - 08-Nov-89 REGUL No 123527 NX 0107 0107 Canadian Forces Base/Area Support Unit Petawawa DP356458 - 05-Sep-86 REGUL No 123527 CN 0107 0107 Canadian Forces Base/Area Support Unit Petawawa DP356127 - 19-Aug-86 INITI No 123527 CX 0107 0107 Canadian Forces Base/Area Support Unit Petawawa
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08-03-10, 19:06
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Wow Thanks Again Scotty.
I wish there wasa way to tell were and when it was deployed Most of all that is greek to me. Is there any way to tell what it all means ? Matthew
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08-03-10, 23:42
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09-03-10, 01:52
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M1010
If the white paint lead you to believe the vehicle in question (77626) had been deployed; well here is a photograph that I took of it in Petawawa in 1998. This one and 77625 were base emergency vehicles.
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09-03-10, 02:13
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Very cool Ed thanks for posting the picture.
Any chance you could email me a copy of it? There has been pile of paint applied to it since that picture was taken. Now the question I have to ask is do I restore it to as delivered in tri colour camo Green Black Brown. There is Brown paint on the Vanbody behind the rear doors. The second paint job which I belive was green and black. Redo it in white as pictured Or as I got it in 383 green. Matthew
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09-03-10, 05:30
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Just pick which scheme you like the best. Personally, I'd go with the tri colour. It has more of a 'military' look to it than white.
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09-03-10, 05:56
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Vehicle Paint
How many military vehicle owners actually have a photograph of their vehicle in military use? I think I would go with the white, most military vehicles these day are camouflaged, the white is different and documented.
Ultimately, it is your call.
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09-03-10, 14:59
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However like Ed said, ultimately it's your call and there is no "wrong" answer.
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09-03-10, 20:40
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I vote green, or else the NATO multi-cam. Plain white is just a base vehicle, and as such leads a boring garrison life. If it had UN history, that would be different.
I suspect that under that white coat of paint lurks a layer of green or NATO cam anyway.
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10-03-10, 11:20
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The Truck has a 3 camo paint job as the base Green Black Brown. Then it looks like it was painted green and Black then the white, then at least 3 coats of just green.
The Paint has aligatored down to the white but it is falling off all over down to the Base 3 camo paint. There has to be 40lbs of paint on this unit. I was out to the acerage today. And took some Pictures of the Altenator for Gilles. Unfortunetly there was no part number on it that I could see. But I was able to track it down on the net. It is a Delco Remy 30-SI/TR series alternator. It is 90A output for each voltage and of Brushless design. (thats a big bonus) Weight is 11.2 Kg. It is an internal voltage regulated alternator so it is a one wire hook up alternator. The only wires going to it are the ground , 24V charge and 12V charge. This dual voltage alternator could be adapted to other applications I imagine. It would solve the 12V avalibilty issue on our other Military vehicles. But do not go looking to stuff it under the hood of an Iltis. LOL It is designed for high milage heavy-duty extra large line haul diesel engine applications with 12V vehicle systems that have 24V start. It is way way over kill on the CUCV and most likly will out last every thing else on the truck. I still wonder how that scabbed together bracket will last in the long run. If a person was pounding on the truck consistantly I doubt it would hold up. Fortunetly the lower bracket is a substantial cast peice and the lower alternator mounts are of bridge type mounting. It does not appear that the stock lower mount has been modified. The PCV hoses have been modified to accept the Alternator but that is a minor modification. It appears that the Dual voltage regulator has been removed I assume it was located on the front of drivers fender under hood. As the there are bunch of wires taped up there and a mounting plate that is now bare. Also the truck has been converted to 12V glow plugs and the big resistor grid although still in place has been abandoned. It looks like the DND removed the more trouble prone underhood 24V items. Now the only Item on the truck chassis that is 24V is the starter which is just as well in my opinion. The rest of the truck chassis is all 12V and the Van body is all 24V. I have attached a couple of pics of the Alt and the modified bracket as best I could with out tearing it apart. It looks like they lengthened the bracket and the adjustment slot was opened up wider to accept the larger Alt adjusting bolt Matthew
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15-03-10, 06:36
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registration
Hi Mathew,
I was wondering if you have registered your truck yet. I heard a rumour that the military vehicles have a notation on the serial numbers so that they cannot be road licensed. When these vehicles are sold the federal govt. enters the VIN numbers into a database that prohibits provinces licensing them. This is to prohibit vehicles that are not built to any safety standards being driven on public roads. I also heard that sales of the Iltis prompted this action. I see that your truck seems to have a typical VIN number. Some of the U.S. military Chevy blazers that I have seen have a very odd VIN number. Paul
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15-03-10, 07:14
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What is the kill factor with registering military vehicle is the bill of sale. If the sale bill described the vehicle "sold as salvage" the vehicle cannot be registered. This is the reasoning for the problems with registering MLVWs, some Iltis, that have been sold are titled salvage but many more have been sold and are on the road today.
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16-03-10, 01:34
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I was mailed a regular MOT ownership from the auction house. I have checked with registries here in Alberta and there is no issue registering the unit here after getting an out of province inspection. As far as they are concerned it is K30 Chev truck and nothing out of the ordinary. I will not be registering it until after the restoration is complete. As it stands it would not pass with the rotted innner fenders. There are no titles or ownerships so to speak of in Alberta. The vehicles registration and ownership is not separated like in Ontario or some other provinces. In Alberta you can not go to registries and get an ownership with out plating the vehicle. In Ontario you can not register a vehicle without the MOT issued ownership with out a major hassle. Here you just need a bill of sale written on most any thing and nothing else. Also there are 2 classifications of Salvage in Alberta Salvage and Non Repairable. Any vehicle that has been written off by an insurance company but could be repaired is listed as Salvage with registries. A Salvage vehicle can be put back in the road after repair following a Structural integrity inspection and an out of provincial inspection. The repairs have to meet OEM specifications or I-Car Standards. The inspection/s take place during the rebuilding of the vehicle and it is not just a final product inspection. If it is a minor repair an inspection before repair and one after will suffice. The repaired vehicle will be given a Rebuilt rating on the registration. Any vehicle declared non-repairable will not be issued any further certificate of registration. They have to have structural damaged that it is non-repairable for them to be declared non repariable.. Those vehicles can only be dismantled for parts and no structural parts (frames ect) can be reused as repair parts for other vehicles. Any MLVW"s that come through auction here unless they are structurally damaged should be listed as salvage. If you custom build a vehicle it can be put on the road here after passing a Salvage vehicle inspection as long as it meets the Alberta Transportation requirements for lamps, mudflaps, brakes, speedometer, etc. The vehicle must be designed for highway operation and can not be made from a vehicle designed for off road use. So technically it may be possible to get a MLVW on the road here even if listed as salvage on the bill of sale from the auction house. With the GVW of those units they may be classified as Commercial Vehicles and then a whole other host of issues would crop up. I do not know for sure if any one has registered a MLVW here. But I heard a rumour someone has registered a MLVW here for road use. It is a grey area since transportation falls under both Federal and Provincial jurisdictions. What one province will not allow anouther may irregardless of what the feds say. There are several former U.S Army CUCV's on the road here. And the owners had no issue getting them on the road after a Transport Canada inspection and an Alberta out of province inspection. They are just GMC trucks that are basically identical to the millions of civi units on the roads and that is how Alberta Registries and Alberta Transportation veiws them. For most ex mill vehicles registration is not the issue, it is insurance that is the biggest hassle here. Matthew
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16-03-10, 06:38
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Paint color
Rob,
Was it you that told me all of the CUCV 5/4 tons came with the American camoflouge pattern with the brown in the paint scheme and once the vehicle was due for a new paint job,they used the Canadian 5/4 ton pattern with the two different greens and the black IRR paint?So if you find brown in the paint pattern,this would be part of the original paint pattern when the truck was delivered as Canada never had a brown in any of their paint patterns? Derk.
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16-03-10, 15:06
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Yes, that was the case at one time. The brown was part of the US (or NATO, depending how high you wanted to go) cam pattern. The CUCVs were primarily militia trucks, and as such the paint jobs were usually done with a 4" brush, using the same two or three colors that were in the unit paint locker. Sometimes they might follow the official cam pattern, and sometimes they would make it up themselves. In the early to mid 90s, it was decreed that B (softskin) vehicles would be painted flat green only, and were no longer cammed up. With the new CARC paints, the olive drab was dropped and the brown added. I am not sure what the designated cam patterns are now, but the majority of the vehicles (LAVs included) are simply the single color green. Even here in the sandbox, the majority of vehicles are still single color green with some in the tan. The dust quickly cam up any vehicle to the appropriate color. Just like in Gagetown, where every vehicle turns that pinkish color after a few days in the trng area.
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17-03-10, 05:51
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CUCVs in Canadian Use
Here is an image of the M1010 CUCV Ambulance when it was first delivered to Petawawa in the late 1980s, as you will see, it is in the NATO three-colour camouflage.
 Here is a CUCV cab that has been mated to a Canadian Chevrolet Van complete with the two different camouflage styles. I bet no-one would believe this at a MV show. 
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17-03-10, 15:17
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Interesting, it is indeed the earlier 5/4 gas van body. The CUCV van bodies were almost identical, but had square edges at the top. When we were getting rid of the 2 fleets in the mid 90s, we were advised that none of the early bodies were to be sold (they went to CORCAN for rebuild and installation onto the LSVWs, ) but the later CUCV bodies were to be sold.
I have one of the CUCV bodies waiting for me when I get back home, which I will be installing onto an early gas 5/4 ton, so I will in effect be doing the opposite of the truck pictured. I will, however, be matching the paint scheme to the Cdn pattern.
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