whos carrier is going?

carrierbarry · #1 12-06-10, 09:47

Taking the carrier down to the Big Armour and Embarkation event in Dorcester next weekend 18/19 june.
Noticed that there is another carrier booked in to do the 20 mile road run.
Anybody know whos carrier this is?
Would like to chat before hand.

Barry

kevin powles · #2 12-06-10, 10:40

Hi Barry, looks like a fantastic event, i would go only if i can get my carrier there. There are alot of events here in the UK but the difficulty for me is transportation, I have found to hire a transport firm to take your carrier to any event and return it is just to expensive, even an event 20 miles up the road would cost about £150 to £200 return, I would drive it this distance but my problem is worn track, i dont mind thrashing it about on grass or doing the odd 5 mile run on the road. I continue to look for a suitable vehicle to carry two carriers which will mean i need to get an HGV licence which i plan to do soon. So barry I hope to meet up with your carrier at an event in the future, if the other carrier is a mortar carrier let me know.

Goodluck and post alot of pics on this site.

Kevin.

martyn · #3 13-06-10, 23:18

Hi Kevin if your thinking of getting a HGV licence and getting your own truck it would cost you more than hiring one for the odd event MOTS are over a £1000 and tax then you have to park it somewhere bloody pain in the arse, get the shows to pay for the transport if they want them to go thats the way forward or at least pay part of the costs. iam working on a idea to transport my carrier it would work for 1 but towing two would be too much weight. and as for the show barry its not my carrier listed lol

RichardT10829 · #4 14-06-10, 01:38

well it aint mine, so thats potentially Shaun ? Nigel ? Ron ?

Ron Pier · #5 14-06-10, 16:01

It's not mine! I've been asked by the organisers to drum up some DR's for motorcycle convoy duty, so two wheels and no track for me at this event. I'll be looking at others though. Ron

RichardT10829 · #6 14-06-10, 16:33

mind just thinking my list was based on the carrier being a Universal Mk1/2 if its a T16 going, it could be anyones guess

Blackpowder44 (RIP) · #7 14-06-10, 21:16

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Originally Posted by martyn

Hi Kevin if your thinking of getting a HGV licence and getting your own truck it would cost you more than hiring one for the odd event MOTS are over a £1000 and tax then you have to park it somewhere bloody pain in the arse, get the shows to pay for the transport if they want them to go thats the way forward or at least pay part of the costs. iam working on a idea to transport my carrier it would work for 1 but towing two would be too much weight. and as for the show barry its not my carrier listed lol

I have carried my carrier on a 7.5 ton lorry, soMot not that expensive. At the moment I am working on a short wheel base Man 7.5 tonner. These lorrys are the best as far as I can tell, everyone who has driven one has nothing but praise for them..John.

carrierbarry · #8 16-06-10, 23:04

I think I have a spare seat in the carrier if anybody is interested.
This offer is only avalable to carrier freaks.

This is the UK big event this year, check out
www.armourandembarkation.com

martyn · #9 16-06-10, 23:53

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Originally Posted by Blackpowder44

I have carried my carrier on a 7.5 ton lorry, soMot not that expensive. At the moment I am working on a short wheel base Man 7.5 tonner. These lorrys are the best as far as I can tell, everyone who has driven one has nothing but praise for them..John.

Hi john dont meen to sound funny but have you been on a weighbridge with your carrier as they are around the 3.5 tonn area and most 7.5tonn trucks are pushing there limits with this weight just some food for thort as wouldnt want you getting pulled by vosa they would throw the book at you for being over weight, i know i got done for a headlight once.

Ron Pier · #10 17-06-10, 17:22

In answer to the 7.5 ton truck payload. I have been running my own sand and gravel supply business for 30 years. We have been operating 7.5 ton tippers with the intention to deliver a 4 ton load. It has been difficult to find such trucks, but we have found that the new breed of Isuzus and Mitsubishi's will just about do the trick. Before that we had a Magirus deutz a Daf 45 and a Bedford TK. So if you were to strip the tipper gear from any of these and add a fairly light steel or wooden floor directly to the chassis, you would easily carry a 4 ton load. No HGV licence required. The ones to avoid are the much heavier built trucks like Iveco, Man, Mercedes etc. The lightest truck I have come across is our Mitsubishi Canter. It gives us a legal 4.3 ton payload. These are built more like a big van than a small lorry. One of these chassis cabs would legally be able to transport a kitted up carrier and crew. Ron

Neil Ashley · #11 17-06-10, 18:29

According to the manual the unladened weight of a Canadian Mk11* is from memory approx 3.8 ton so by the time you have loaded it with all your kit you are very unlikely to under 7.5 ton.

I looked in to this for my carrier and as Ron states to get the higher pay loads you need the more modern trucks. Even then the Mitsubishi Canters have vety short beds and narrow bodies which does'ent leave much room. A custom build aluminium body would be preferable.

A Mk1 Carrier is lighter.

Blackpowder44 (RIP) · #12 17-06-10, 21:58

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Originally Posted by martyn

Hi john dont meen to sound funny but have you been on a weighbridge with your carrier as they are around the 3.5 tonn area and most 7.5tonn trucks are pushing there limits with this weight just some food for thort as wouldnt want you getting pulled by vosa they would throw the book at you for being over weight, i know i got done for a headlight once.

I do know what I am talking about, having owned the carrier since 1985 and owned two lorries to cart it about. Also I put it onto the local weigh bridge to check it out and they give me a cert. with the weight.Another rout to go down is to register a lorry as a mobile project vehicle. Look this up in the DVLA website under driving largew goods vehicles on a car licence. John

RichardT10829 · #13 18-06-10, 09:23

I may get flamed for this but what about getting a green goddess and pulling the rear tank and firbe firghting crap off, then pop a bed onto it with some ramps ? Tax exempt too

Ron Pier · #14 18-06-10, 10:58

The trouble is that these historic vehicles are MOT exempt and have reduced insurance and zero tax based on them being used for social, domestic and leasure use only. In other words 'no load is permitted'
A couple of us were discusing this issue with a man from VOSA when we took out track laying test. We asked what constitutes a load? He said " anything from your lunch box upwards" Although it would take a jobsworth cop to pull you for your lunchbox. As always, it's when an accident happens that the wotzit hits the fan! Ron

RichardT10829 · #15 18-06-10, 11:14

you are right, a load constitutes anything that is not fixed to and forming part of the vehicle, technically the water itself would have been a load, you are merely exchanging one type of load for another...however as the vehicle has been modified it may change things......... i think there would be a loop hole for the tax and test as you are not using the vehicle in the course of a business or for hire / reward ergo you are still using it for social domestic and pleasure. a bit of a grey area methinks, I shall make some further enquiries..... just thinking on i wonder if one of these would go into the back of a horse box ? you could make the remainder of space accomodation for shows etc...and you can get horse boxes pre 72 again tax exempt.

any road have we found out who's carrier it is that is going ?

Ron Pier · #16 18-06-10, 18:52

Richard I'm planning to ride my M20 there in the morning. So I'll try and find out...Unless someone beets my to it. Ron

Neil Ashley · #17 18-06-10, 18:59

John

Which models of truck were you using as if it will come in under 7.5 ton I will consider doing it.

From memory your Carrier is a Mk11* as well but with the manual being so specific on weights I was not going to bother buying a 7.5 ton truck.

The most older models of 7.5 truck will carry is 3.5 ton.

kevin powles · #18 21-06-10, 17:40

Hi Barry,

You got any pics from the event, whats was that other carrier in the end?.

hope all went well, kev.

Ron Pier · #19 21-06-10, 23:19

Only Barry's carrier was there. I think there are pictures on the Armour and Embarkation site and YouTube. I saw Barry nearly do a pirouette.

Ron

RichardT10829 · #20 22-06-10, 14:35

any web links guys or are ya gonna make me hunt for them

Ron Pier · #21 22-06-10, 19:43

See if these work. Ron

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJ-fr...om=PL&index=11

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEc1V...rom=PL&index=9

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEc1V8_QEuY

carrierbarry · #22 26-06-10, 23:16

Ok
I think I've finally got back to earth. What a fantastic weekend.
All you guys in the uk that did'nt make it you missed the best event this year.

The town of Maiden Newton in Dorset was turned over to war time. So the convoy of 57 vehicles all meet up there. At 09.30 we set off on a drive through the English country side arriving in Dorchester about 14.00. The public viewed the vehicles there and at about 17.30 we did a short trip around Dorchester watched by approx 10,000 people then a 8 mile run back to Maiden Newton approx 20.00. (total 22miles)Then a large beer.

The convoy was made up of tanks ,trucks, recovery wagons just about everything you need to start a war.

I drove my MkII carrier with Les in the front and Bob in the back.
I have added modern road lights, and a intercom to my carrier just to make life easier.

The carrier run purfect. It was interesting to note that the tyres got very hot. I had heard this but never experianced it as normally I only do short trips.
A fact to bear in mind when getting them re rubbered.
Even with ear defenders the noise is horrendous, after a while.
And yes after 300 bends I did almost lose it on one bend!! Ha ha!!

I used 10 gallons of fuel and a few fillings in my teeth, But what a day.

It was nice to meet Ron (carrier owner, but no carrier. On a bike). He and fellow bikers/outriders were fantastic.
They worked so hard to keep the convoy going.

I also meet Kevin Gant, whos restoreing a Windsor. We talked alot about carriers, but his face was a picture when I said stop talking just get in a take her for a spin. I'll let Kevin tell you the rest.!! Ha ha.

I'll try to post some pic's

Barry

RichardT10829 · #23 27-06-10, 08:20

phwar close one on that first turn hooked it right in ........ i was in the back of Matyns yesterday similar thing happened, camber on the road and new tarmac + metal tracks hahahaha. spoke to loads of carrier veterans all said that most turns should be made in first or second...... hope your day was as enjoyable as mine yesterday buddy.... great footage by the way

Richie

RichardT10829 · #24 08-09-10, 21:22

just been watching these again Barry....after seeing you guys in the latest CMV mag... Adrians Sherman also looked the business ! just a quick thought.....i noticed some of the motorcycle lads were wearing thier period tin hats for helmets.... whats the score with helmet laws for period bikes / rallies and all that ? just wondering

ajmac · #25 08-09-10, 23:39

Walls have ears.

Ron Pier · #26 09-09-10, 08:46

I was one of those motorcyclists on convoy duty at A&E. The law on period helmets has been explained to us buy a policeman (who is the co author of 'British Forces Motorcycles 1925-45').
"If a helmet was made specifically for motorcycle use BEFORE the introduction of the 'KITE' mark, then grandfather rights prevail"
You will often see a rider on a vintage machine wearing a pre 'KITE' pudding basin helmet. As far as I am aware this is legal. The modern made pudding basin's made by company's like Davida are not legal and are sold "For display purposes only". Mind you it would take an alert cop to tell the difference. Me and my fellow DR's have been wearing our tin helmets for years when attending a period dress event. I have never heard of anyone being accosted. I would hazard that at the roadside a cop would probably not know the law as well as we do untill it was explained to him. In fact at our Weymouth Parade we actually ride and work with real policeman on traffic control.

Ron

RichardT10829 · #27 09-09-10, 09:56

excelent stuff.... just got the cogs moving in my head.....would kinda spoil the feel of the parade if they were all wearing the Stig style bandit helmets hahahahaha. (which most certainly are not road legal in the UK) one of the many thoughts i had.... another was were the roads closed at points by that i mean the lovely footage of the M18 going through the twisty bends with the Shermans following, they sure filled the road up a treat. at the narrow stages were you boys having to go up ahead until the big metal had passed ? its all interesting stuff, i wish i had been a part of it.

to rest the quakies...ie AJ and his nervous twitch..... 90% of officers would not stop an outrider in the middle of a convoy tanks or a parade to be fair.... regardless of legality..... however if you were riding the bike with jeans T shirt some swanky shades wearing a storm troopers lid or similar... popping wheelies perhaps a different matter

I hope they decide to run this event again, i believe they wanted more tracked units with plenty of escort riders. Imagine a column of carriers amidst the big boys...... i have a pal that is an ex police rider of 18 years so if we were ever short of escort riders i have no doubt he would oblige hehehehe.

Ron Pier · #28 09-09-10, 12:48

That's Exactly what we do Richard, We ride ahead and stop cars and block side roads as required. Generally the public are quite amenable and friendly. You will always get the odd Herbert who will ignore you and try and squeeze through, which usually ends with them head on with a large MV and reversing back. We completely stopped the traffic twice on the Dorchester by-pass for the A&E convoy. On the second occasion we even had the blessing of the Chief Contable of Dorchester.
Jack Becket has informed us that he will be doing this event again in 2012.

Ron

ajmac · #29 09-09-10, 13:25

A&E 2012 - That is the Loyd's target completion date, hopefully pulling a 6 Pdr behind the Armour

RichardT10829 · #30 09-09-10, 16:54

Ron. then that is my target date to have mine 100% completed with plenty of test miles on the clocks....wonder if we could get a full sections worth of carriers to go ?