whos carrier is going?

[martyn]

Originally Posted by Blackpowder44

I have carried my carrier on a 7.5 ton lorry, soMot not that expensive. At the moment I am working on a short wheel base Man 7.5 tonner. These lorrys are the best as far as I can tell, everyone who has driven one has nothing but praise for them..John.

Hi john dont meen to sound funny but have you been on a weighbridge with your carrier as they are around the 3.5 tonn area and most 7.5tonn trucks are pushing there limits with this weight just some food for thort as wouldnt want you getting pulled by vosa they would throw the book at you for being over weight, i know i got done for a headlight once.

[Ron Pier]

In answer to the 7.5 ton truck payload. I have been running my own sand and gravel supply business for 30 years. We have been operating 7.5 ton tippers with the intention to deliver a 4 ton load. It has been difficult to find such trucks, but we have found that the new breed of Isuzus and Mitsubishi's will just about do the trick. Before that we had a Magirus deutz a Daf 45 and a Bedford TK. So if you were to strip the tipper gear from any of these and add a fairly light steel or wooden floor directly to the chassis, you would easily carry a 4 ton load. No HGV licence required. The ones to avoid are the much heavier built trucks like Iveco, Man, Mercedes etc. The lightest truck I have come across is our Mitsubishi Canter. It gives us a legal 4.3 ton payload. These are built more like a big van than a small lorry. One of these chassis cabs would legally be able to transport a kitted up carrier and crew. Ron

[Neil Ashley]

According to the manual the unladened weight of a Canadian Mk11* is from memory approx 3.8 ton so by the time you have loaded it with all your kit you are very unlikely to under 7.5 ton.

I looked in to this for my carrier and as Ron states to get the higher pay loads you need the more modern trucks. Even then the Mitsubishi Canters have vety short beds and narrow bodies which does'ent leave much room. A custom build aluminium body would be preferable.

A Mk1 Carrier is lighter.

[Blackpowder44 (RIP)]

Originally Posted by martyn

Hi john dont meen to sound funny but have you been on a weighbridge with your carrier as they are around the 3.5 tonn area and most 7.5tonn trucks are pushing there limits with this weight just some food for thort as wouldnt want you getting pulled by vosa they would throw the book at you for being over weight, i know i got done for a headlight once.

I do know what I am talking about, having owned the carrier since 1985 and owned two lorries to cart it about. Also I put it onto the local weigh bridge to check it out and they give me a cert. with the weight.Another rout to go down is to register a lorry as a mobile project vehicle. Look this up in the DVLA website under driving largew goods vehicles on a car licence. John

[RichardT10829]

I may get flamed for this but what about getting a green goddess and pulling the rear tank and firbe firghting crap off, then pop a bed onto it with some ramps ? Tax exempt too

[Ron Pier]

The trouble is that these historic vehicles are MOT exempt and have reduced insurance and zero tax based on them being used for social, domestic and leasure use only. In other words 'no load is permitted'
A couple of us were discusing this issue with a man from VOSA when we took out track laying test. We asked what constitutes a load? He said " anything from your lunch box upwards" Although it would take a jobsworth cop to pull you for your lunchbox. As always, it's when an accident happens that the wotzit hits the fan! Ron

[RichardT10829]

you are right, a load constitutes anything that is not fixed to and forming part of the vehicle, technically the water itself would have been a load, you are merely exchanging one type of load for another...however as the vehicle has been modified it may change things......... i think there would be a loop hole for the tax and test as you are not using the vehicle in the course of a business or for hire / reward ergo you are still using it for social domestic and pleasure. a bit of a grey area methinks, I shall make some further enquiries..... just thinking on i wonder if one of these would go into the back of a horse box ? you could make the remainder of space accomodation for shows etc...and you can get horse boxes pre 72 again tax exempt.


any road have we found out who's carrier it is that is going ?

[Ron Pier]

Richard I'm planning to ride my M20 there in the morning. So I'll try and find out...Unless someone beets my to it. Ron

[Neil Ashley]

John

Which models of truck were you using as if it will come in under 7.5 ton I will consider doing it.

From memory your Carrier is a Mk11* as well but with the manual being so specific on weights I was not going to bother buying a 7.5 ton truck.

The most older models of 7.5 truck will carry is 3.5 ton.