Yukon CMP

[yukon john]

I am one of the directors with the Yukon Transportation Museum. We have in our collection a GM manufactured Canadian Military Pattern truck model C-60S-T, cab model 13, manufactured March 20, 1945. Are copies of manufacturing drawings or diagrams, or line drawings, available for our vehicle? Is there an archive that would provide usage and disposal information for our particular vehicle?

I would like to build as much file information as possible and produce a cardstock model for sale in our Museum gift shop. Any assistance would be appreciated.

John Gryba
111 Falcon Drive
Whitehorse, Yukon Y1A 6C7

[Phil Waterman]

Hello Mr. Gyrba

As a long time collector of CMPs and CMP information may I humbly say that in coming to MLU Forum have probably come to the largest collective source of CMP information available anywhere.

As to your questions concerning drawing etc I expect that you will soon be hearing from many sources.

Actual specific vehicle information other than unit markings found on the vehicle is exceedingly rare. Given a March 1945 build date it is highly probable that your particular CMP never left Canada, in fact it may never have even been issued to a military unit. Never the less that doesn't detract from its historical interest. From the pictures it appears to be in relative good condition. As you explore MLU and the websites that varrious members of our Forum have you will see that many CMPs that have been restored started the process in far worse condition.

In your search for information about this truck or similar trucks you might want to put out a call to your local community to look through old family photos, this link will take you to a series of photos that I found that where taken in British Columbia during the war, which came from somebodys family photos. http://www.canadianmilitarypattern.c...20Columbia.htm

Cheers and Good Luck

[yukon john]

Hello Mr. Waterman. Thanks for the welcome and comments. The pictures are great. It seems our CMP worked as a service vehicle for the Canadian Military Control of the Alcan Highway. Any additional info for our files will be most welcome.

My project is to find drawings for development of a cardstock model which seems to be popular with many of the military modellers. Any assistance in that direction will also be appreciated. I don't know if many of the people on the thread are model builders (maybe no extra time if you have a CMP to restore and drive) - would there be any interest in a modellers section?

Regards,
John

[David_Hayward (RIP)]

John, I can decode the Build Plate (the General Motors of Canada one) if it's there. I did several brief backgrounds for a recent exhibition in England, that included a Willys Jeep. How on earth I did a potted history about Jeeps in two paragraphs to go on an A4 laminated card I shall never know!

We at ROADSCENE magazine are just about to start off a new series about the development of the CMPs based on Canadian information, then the British side of things post-1940. The magazine will be distributed in Canada. This will precede a book / books on the subject.

[Phil Waterman]

Hi Guys

Refreash my memory wasn't there a tread about CMP tractors a while back? I've tried to search for it but I can't remember what the heading was, each of my searches either gives 0 results or to many results.

I seem to remember at some point someone posted a picture of a CMP tractor hauling logs which might be appropriate to the current question. I also remember seeing some where either on MLU or one of the other CMP sites a picture of the 5th wheel.

John you might also want to check the Australian Archives photos http://www.awm.gov.au/visit/?item=mustsee&sub=post45 there are deffinitly pictures of the truck and trailer unit. Perhaps one our crew who is very familiar with that site could point us to the correct picture.

Here is the only image (a Ford) I've found so far of what I think we are talking about this is from Bart Vanderveen's The Observer's Fighting Vehicles Directory WWII 1972. I believe there was also an article in Wheels and Tracks.

I have a number of books on the Alcan printed at different times that I will reivew to see if I can find anything that might be of interest.

[cliff]

Originally Posted by Phil Waterman

Refreash my memory wasn't there a tread about CMP tractors a while back? I've tried to search for it but I can't remember what the heading was, each of my searches either gives 0 results or to many results.

Phil this one was not a purpose built tractor as such as it is the short wheelbase truck. I think the 'T' in this case stands for 'tipper' as the tractors had an even shorter wheelbase then the 'short' versions.

[Keith Webb]

The tractor version was made only by Ford and was the F60T on a unique 115" wheelbase.

[Phil Waterman]

So it would seem that what is being looked for is information on the dumb truck (tipper) version. Well in that case Bill Greggs books are probably going to provide the drawing information that John is looking for.

Cheers Phil

[Keith Webb]

Here's the official picture of the Canadian Dump, or tip truck version of the C60S:

[yukon john]

Hello all. After taking another look at my pictures, yep, there it is on a little plate beside the ID plate - model dump 4. T for tipper .

David, I have attached a photo of the plate if you can give any further info from that.

I am going to be in Ottawa for a meeting next week and will see if I can get a copy of Mr. Gregg's book at the War Museum, or some further info there if there is time.

Can anyone tell me about the wheel hub plates? I haven't seen a picture of wheel hubs like this and was wondering if they served some particular purpose or were they added later?

Thank you all for your help and interest.

Regards,
John

[cliff]

Originally Posted by yukon john

Can anyone tell me about the wheel hub plates? I haven't seen a picture of wheel hubs like this and was wondering if they served some particular purpose or were they added later?

Thank you all for your help and interest.

Regards,
John

John they are typical late model wheels with the lifting sling hubs attached. That is where the vehicle was lifted by sling to put on board a boat or similar.

[Phil Waterman]

Originally Posted by yukon john

Hello all. After taking another look at my pictures, yep, there it is on a little plate beside the ID plate - model dump 4. T for tipper .

David, I have attached a photo ...
I am going to be in Ottawa for a meeting next week and will see if I can get a copy of Mr. Gregg's book at the War Museum, or some further info there if there is time.

....Regards,
John

Hi John

Unfortunately Bill Gregg's Books are out of print, I'll dig out the publishing information and maybe you can find a used copy on the internet.

Cheers Phil

[David_Hayward (RIP)]

My decode John is:

Body... -DUMP-4 so I assume that it was originally a dump truck?

MODEL C60S ..not seen C60S-T before! I HAVE TO ADD that any in the UK were ready fodder post-war for the refurb companies as tippers were essential for post-war rebuilding when there were no, say, Bedfords available.

CAB 13 ...third type closed cab with reverse-slope windshield
1944 model Chevrolet C60S sequential production number 9380, which is unique in my database!
ENGINE # PR [right hand drive 216 cu in] number 4026485
CONTRACT C.D.L.V. 3525 so a late war one!
DATE: Assembled in Oshawa March 20th 1945

Very interesting indeed! I have no data on any other C60S lorries as late as this.

[Alex Blair (RIP)]

Originally Posted by yukon john

Hello all. After taking another look at my pictures, yep, there it is on a little plate beside the ID plate - model dump 4. T for tipper .

David, I have attached a photo of the plate if you can give any further info from that.

I am going to be in Ottawa for a meeting next week and will see if I can get a copy of Mr. Gregg's book at the War Museum, or some further info there if there is time.

Can anyone tell me about the wheel hub plates? I haven't seen a picture of wheel hubs like this and was wondering if they served some particular purpose or were they added later?

Thank you all for your help and interest.

Regards,
John

John..
If you are coming to Ottawa you can pick up copies of the three manuals listed on your plate from Mr Manual..
Contact him and order..
We can make arrangements that you pick them up at my place,as I can deliver them in Ottawa when you get here..be glad to meet you anyway..
Contact Joel here..
http://www.dana-nield.com/d32/Defaul....com/d32/blair


Here are the manuals you need..

#3
300+ pages
MB-C2 Maintenance Manual, for GM CMP vehicles. 15 cwt 4x2, 15 cwt. 4x4, 30 cwt 4x4, 3 ton 4x4 HU 4x4, F.A.T. 4x4.
Sept. 1943

#3A
300+ pages
GM Service Bulletins Updates for MB-C2 (May-November 1943)
These bulletins were issued to the field maintenance shops for upgrades to the CMP vehicles.
Many proceedures in the bulletins and additions did not make the maintenance manuals.

#9
304 pages
C60S-03 CHEV. ILLUST. PARTS LIST, 3 TON 4x4 MOD.C60S- chassis 8442, 134" W.B., CDN.MIL. PATTERN (INC. C60S-01, 02, 03).
BODY OPTIONS: DUMP, GENERAL SERVICE, STORES, DERRICK, ENGINEERS, TELEPHONE AND WRECKER.
May 1944

#13
142 pages
INSTRUCTION BOOK
Driving, Maintenance & Repair for GM CMP Vehicles. 8 cwt., 15 cwt., 30 cwt., 3-ton FA Gun Tractor.


Contact Joel off line and he will contact me if you two make the arrangements.

Alex Blair

The ORIGINAL Mr.Manual..

[Steve Guthrie]

Hi there

Bill Gregg's books, other than the Profile Series, are available through the tuck shop at the RCA Museum at CFB Shilo, Manitoba.

Steve