Perkins 6-354 into CMP

[Lionelgee]

Hello All,

I know the following suggestion could be considered tantamount to sacrilege and risks my crucifixion within some circles. Was it ever popular to put something like a Perkins Diesel 6-354 into a CMP truck?

If so was this a major undertaking to keep the four wheel drive ability of the vehicle.

As the Perkins 6-354 is getting a bit long in the tooth now - what would be a more modern alternative?

Was the conversion more popular in Ford or Chevrolet versions?

Okay I have finished the sacrilegious content so the more sensitive can return back to their hallowed pages

Kind Regards
Lionel

[hrpearce]

Hi Lionel, My neighbours fitted a P6 in their Ford. Their solution to keeping the transmission in the right place was to move the front forward one bonnet length.

[Lionelgee]

Originally Posted by hrpearce

Hi Lionel, My neighbours fitted a P6 in their Ford. Their solution to keeping the transmission in the right place was to move the front forward one bonnet length.

Hello Robert,

Thank you for posting the photograph. Hmmm, that is a good solution - however somewhat ugly.

Kind Regards
Lionel

[Bob McNeill]

Our local power company fitted one into their winch truck, no need for counter weight, but its easier to fit 4 cyl Toyota dyna motor and g/box, check for info on Qld,s Charlie,s truck from Mt Isa

[Lionelgee]

Originally Posted by Bob McNeill

Our local power company fitted one into their winch truck, no need for counter weight, but its easier to fit 4 cyl Toyota dyna motor and g/box, check for info on Qld,s Charlie,s truck from Mt Isa

Hello Bob,

Thank you for the reply and the suggestion of where to look.

Kind Regards
Lionel

[aj.lec]

This C60X has a perkins 354 installed
Same ugly mod on the front to accommodate radiator
Also have seen a 300 bedford motor fitted in one

[Lionelgee]

Hello All,

I took the liberty to doctor Robert's photograph by quickly using Microsoft Paint to grab sections of the nose cone from the fire wall and move these forward. Instead of extending just the engine compartment. The end result sort of looks in keeping with a CMP. Or maybe it does within just my own twisted mind. Gee it might even give people over six feet tall some leg room

The photograph would be the equivalent of getting a grinding wheel on the vertical face below the windscreen and cutting down to the floor. Then moving the cut off piece forward. The gap between the windscreen and the new located nose could be filled in using sheet of metal that follow the same lines.

I saw a Toyota camper van sitting in a supermarket car park here in Bundaberg, Queensland that someone must have put in a six cylinder diesel motor instead of the original four cylinder. I did not have a camera with me at the time. However they just followed the idea of putting a bigger nose over the engine section and it looked awful.

Yes it is a lot easier playing with Paint and moving stuff around than it would be to do the same job with a real-life truck.

Then there is the smaller Japanese diesel option too. Hmmm all food for thought

Kind Regards
Lionel

[Dianaa]

What about fitting one of the 4 cyl Perkins, like the 4-236?

The other option is to go with a 4.3 litre Isuzu 4BG1 or 4BG1-Turbo engine and leave it coupled to an Isuzu box.

My Mk3 International has a 6BB1 (5.393 litre) coupled to its original Isuzu box with a jack shaft to the Inter transfer box. It was done by Gloucester Shire Council when the truck was in RFS service, so happy to keep that part of its history.

Going to later common rail engines require a bunch of electronic gizmos to run them.

[aj.lec]

Toyota 2H diesel fits in allright too . Later 1HZ is a little wide on left side with pump and ancillaries

[Bob McNeill]

Richard may come in here ,but in the UK when we were there a lot of Ford Blitzs had Fordson Diesels fitted, down on top speed but allowed on Rego. Perkins 4/236 or 4/248 have trouble getting the revs and Hp for our conditions [ speed ] and most not designed for automotive use, unlike 3/152[ UK taxi,s ]

[Ryan]

I have 2 blitz trucks with fordson diesels in them. One ford, one chev.

[Ganmain Tony]

Not wanting to be too judgemental Lionel......

But anyone on this forum who does this knowingly to a halfway decent Blitz should die of a serious S.T.D. and rot in hell.

[motto]

Gees Tony, don't be such a wimp. Tell us what you really think.

Dave

[Bob McNeill]

caution tony, with our fuel becoming contaminated with ethanol, we might have to go down this road if we wish to use our trucks. lucky we can fit gas and remain on classic rego. THEY WANT TO GET RID OF old clunkers.

[Tony Wheeler]

Originally Posted by Lionelgee

The gap between the windscreen and the new located nose could be filled in using sheet of metal that follow the same lines.

Or you could simply discard the front shell and go for a more conventional look.

[Private_collector]

Lionel,

I have a friend who has fit a Toyota (nearly sure it's Toyota) diesel into his Ford. He has travelled all over Australia in it, and continues to do so.

If you were/are seriously considering such a thing, I can see if he is happy for you to call him and discuss the mod.

He is near Warwick, QLD.

[Richard Farrant]

Originally Posted by Bob McNeill

Richard may come in here ,but in the UK when we were there a lot of Ford Blitzs had Fordson Diesels fitted, down on top speed but allowed on Rego. Perkins 4/236 or 4/248 have trouble getting the revs and Hp for our conditions [ speed ] and most not designed for automotive use, unlike 3/152[ UK taxi,s ]

Hi Bob, you called?
I can remember a company running converted CMP gun tractors with derricks on them for their business of erecting concrete barns. They had Fordson 4D engines in them. Speed was not important in those days, but they would travel the country (England). I have a feeling the Perkins P6 was used by some companies, a bit smaller than a 6.354. An owner of a Chev HUP fitted a Bedford 220 4 cyl diesel some years ago.

Away from CMP/Blitzs, I know someone who put a 6.354 in a Bedford QL, quite a tight fit, then found there was no room for the handbrake lever so an air handbrake had to be devised. A fairground operator in England is still using a Bedford QL powered by a P6.

cheers Richard

[lynx42]

Originally Posted by Richard Farrant

Hi Bob, you called?

Away from CMP/Blitzs, I know someone who put a 6.354 in a Bedford QL, quite a tight fit, then found there was no room for the handbrake lever so an air handbrake had to be devised. A fairground operator in England is still using a Bedford QL powered by a P6.

cheers Richard

And would that be the same person, who with help from someone we all know, fitted a NOS RL Bedford transfer-case, imported from England, to the QL as well and discovered at the Finke River, when he engaged four wheel drive for the first time, that the front wheels rotated the opposite way to the rear wheels? (The answer to that problem was to fit a re-coed Blitz transfer-case.)

Regards Rick

[Richard Farrant]

Originally Posted by lynx42

And would that be the same person, who with help from someone we all know, fitted a NOS RL Bedford transfer-case, imported from England, to the QL as well and discovered at the Finke River, when he engaged four wheel drive for the first time, that the front wheels rotated the opposite way to the rear wheels? (The answer to that problem was to fit a re-coed Blitz transfer-case.)

Regards Rick

That person we all know had no hand in fitting it, and not Finke river, much further south I seem to recollect.

[lynx42]

Originally Posted by Richard Farrant

That person we all know had no hand in fitting it, and not Finke river, much further south I seem to recollect.

You are quite right, Richard. I think that person did help in obtaining it and shipping it. Could have got the wrong river but the result was still the same.

I did help fit both the 6.354 Perkins, the air brakes and the transfer case but no-one thought that the front shaft turned the wrong way.


I put a GMC 6x6 transfer case into my Chev C60X and had the same problem. That fix was easy, we just pulled the axles and turned the diff assembly around 180 degrees. Problem solved. On the QL you can't turn the diff around so another transfer case from a Blitz was obtained, fitted and new tail shafts made to suit. All good now.

Regards Rick.