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Over several hours, yesterday and today, I removed the cab floor plates for better access to what lies beneath. Thought it would take ages with a grinder, to remove all the weld nuts. I was wrong. It took ages with a cold chisel instead. I couldn't bring myself to use a grinder in case I slipped and marred something irrepairably. P1080603.jpg P1080599.jpg All in all, the cab frame is very good. Worst corrosion is on mates side wheel arch inner, where the mud would have sit & festered! It is pitted but does not go right through. I know this because I ran over it (and the floor plates) with a descaler & then the twisted wire cup. P1080596.jpg This is the typical state of floor plates, but mates side front piece is worse than other side. I had initially reached a decision to replace all the floor plates due to the degree of pitting (no rust through, just ugly appearance). Now i'm having second thoughts. It still looks sort of ugly, but it IS original, and it DOES add a vintage patina (spelling ???). I'll sleep on it. Will go ahead and take patterns from all three pieces for puropses of manufacturing repros in future. P1080594.jpg Can someone please tell me if the irregular shaped hole, second from the right, is original or a bodge job in later life. It does have bolt holes tapped in the floor plate but it doesn't look as 'neat' as the work on the other holes. It doesn't have any support plates or other things underneath it either.
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I've done this job several times and have been surprised how many of the countersunk screws actually come out OK with a bit of heat and an impact driver to get them started.
What's the extra hole in the floor? Looks like someone added their own front axle declutch lever.
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Thanks Keith!
![]() Thats all I need to know. I'll get the engineering works to fill it in again when I take it for sandblasting next Saturday. Thats assuming I have got a 'donor' piece of metal by then. I have an acquaintence with a few Ford CMPs and a good oxy torch. I didn't give a moments thought to saving the floor plate screws. Some were damaged, some were fine and some were already missing. There is a fasteners supplier in Gympie where I can buy new ones. I bought samples Saturday. The getting of new weld nuts seems to be quite a trick though! I'm awaiting return emails from 2x manufacturers with prices.
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Some of those caged nuts are tricky to access.
It may indeed be better to find another rear floor without the butchery. Quote:
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I know a couple of fellows with Fords, but most of the floor panels are as poor or worse than mine. Some are checkerplate, not diamond pattern, too.
I have a mate about 1hr away who might have one. The catch is that I would have to remove it from a cab still attached to the truck, which in turn is in an overgrown paddock and sinking into the mire. From an illness a number of years ago, I have difficulty working with my hands above my head. I can do it, but get VERY fatigued, fast. The discovery of a good rear floor substitute may overide this caution, but if the bolts are too ackward to get at, I will end up crook for hours.
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Dash instrument decals arrived late this week. They were fairly good quality, but could have been a bit sharper in definition. With that said, they certainly don't look bad. P1140609.jpg P1140607.jpg I applied them to the gauges Thursday evening, and did the application of speedo mileage wheels last night. Not a job for anyone with poor eyesight, or if tired. When tested, the speedometer and three of the gauges were in excellent working order! The oil pressure gauge was u/s though. This is only a minor concern because I have located a NOS one in USA which is now on the way. It still amazes me that I can buy something from other side of the world, and it is still cheaper that the bloke down the road. Cabin floor and frame is now with sandblaster. I expect to pick it up again next Saturday. Might remove the transfer case and front driveshaft tomorrow, if weather holds out.
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And keep up the good work! Hanno
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Thanks Hanno,
I think you are absolutely right about the originality! If I could find perfect plates from another truck, it would have been just too tempting and I would have used them instead, BUT if I don't look I can't find, so won't be trying. Would really like everything to be perfect, but some things should deliberatey be left alone. Think this is one of those occasions. Besides, most of the deep pitting is located where the seat bases go and may even be fairly well hidden....ish. I have ordered 4 solid wheel castors to put on a simple frame which will sit under the cab base and allow me to work on reattaching the floor plates, rear cab panel (not yet blasted), cab nose accelerator panel etc... With that, I can push the thing around & work where it suits me. Plan is to use steel box section in a way that will allow me to slide an additional tube through the frame, and this will be used to hoist the entire assembly onto chassis when it is ready for the cab. This may take a couple of weeks to complete but I want to have it done before I put the floor plates back onto the cab, because it is just too heavy to manipulate easily afterwards. Wet weather is now setting in, and if I want to get the transfer case out, I had better strike now. Have to go into town for a large spanner to undo the big t/fer case bolts!
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The final piece arrived this afternoon, allowing me to finally finish a set of instruments. P1190627.jpg A good friend of mine swapped a spare set of pedals I had for some more instrument panels & two dashboards. One of the dashs still had the F15A data plates attached. Unfortunately, both of the 'new' dashs (and one I already had) all have switch plates which have been....er.....modified where brake light isolation should be, on large plate, and some form of damage to small plate. If anyone has a good set (or individual) Ford dashboard switch plates for sale, please get in touch with me. I am hoping to purchase a quantity of ORIGINAL NOS Ford CMP dash switches, including the dual position fuel tank sender switches. The seller is not sure if he wants to part with them, but is considering! Cab frame and floor plates are still with the sandblasters, and at time of my visit this afternoon, were still as I had left them! Am planning to discuss with the business owner, the possibility of him allowing me to do my own sandblasting on Saturdays. That way he won't be losing working time for his employee and I will get things done faster. Also I would know I could take my time but do a thorough job. It's hard for his guy to spend time+ on my stuff when it brings in VERY little revenue compared with their 'real' jobs.
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Removed these plates from the dashboard I am working on / painting tomorrow. The damage to bottom switch hole is a common theme across the few of these plates I have. I assume they are solid brass. Vandalism, sheer vandalism! I think the stamped ones look better than the printed or etched plates. I sanded them clean of layers of diffferent color camo green, one over the other. The sanding was really as test to see if I could spray whole thing, then lightly sand the high areas to reveal the brass for raised parts & leave black for the low spots. It works, but looks REALLY dodgy. Were these originally just painted the vehicle color, or lettering highlighted?
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Found a better switch plate this morning and started repairing it. There were two holes in the lower switch area where a strange looking thing was screwed into place, possibly a piezo buzzer? P1220634.jpg After exposing clean metal, I silver soldered the two holes as best I could. One came up OK but the other one was drilled right through the "ON" script, and I did best I could but didn't get the writing rebuilt properly. P1220642.jpg Once painted and attached, it doesnt look too obvious, but still catches my eye anyway. P1220640.jpg Switches are yet to be purchased. As per previous posting, I hope to be obtaining a set of correct ones...........any day now.......maybe. P1220646.jpg Is this hole original? All of my dashs have this same hole, in the same place, BUT the hole is not neat like all the others. It is quite jaggedy and does not look professional, though all these holes appear to have the aux power plug socket. It was initially disappointing that I couldn't repair the enlarged hole in the smaller switch plate. This may actually be a bit of a blessing in disguise, because I did want to have a keyed ignition barrel so I could disable easily and better. Ironically, the 'buggered up' hole had an ignition key barrel in place. No key of course, and no wiring terminals. The plate says "IGNITION" & "ON" already, so it saves me the work of drilling I guess. I'm kidding, I could never drill through a good switch plate! Are the data plates that attach to the top of dashboard meant to be aluminium finish or painted color of the dash???? P.S: The shiny screws on the small switch plate are only temporary. Now to troll ebay for an ignition barrel (and key).
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Just bought an F15 Spare Parts List for $41AUD. God bless ebay............and patience!
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They did not have keys, just an ignition switch.
The F15 parts book is a nice find.
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Robert,
Thanks for that! I hadn't found a suitable piece for floor plate yet, so you information was very much welcomed.
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Still waiting on a decision from a friend, regarding correct CMP dash switches. In the meantime, and working on worst case scenario, and I have ordered modern toggle switches from local supplier. Simple 'bat' handle ones. They will do until correct ones are obtained. I went to the local Dick Smith electronics store, and after I searched the store I was told they don't "do electronics parts" any more. Whats happening to the world when DS Elecs stop selling resistors, diodes, switches and a whole heap of other stuff I don't know how to spell? Come back Dick, all's forgiven!!!
Anyhow.....the Ford F15 parts manual arrived yesterday. Bloody good read though it smells like once owned by a chain-smoker. Small price to pay. A new starter switch was ordered and arrived earlier in the week. It is a much thinner construction and ever so slightly larger in the body in comparisn to the original. I'm not too impressed with the feel of button when pushed either, so it won't be used. I'll keep looking for a NOS one. A keyed ignition switch has been ordered from USA. It's sole purpose is to allow power to be switched on/off, to give piece of mind and greater security. P1290648.jpg P1290647.jpg On Sunday I made this wheeled (castored) frame to put the cab base on. The blasting has been on hold while we were experiencing the recent wet weather. Cab base and floor panels should be ready for me this Saturday. I hope to get it under paint on Sunday, all going well. Will need to do some bumping to both wheel arches first, to level several very small dents made from the inside. Possibly ill treatment from some farmer in last 50+ years, but I prefer to think they are caused by the hob nails & steel plates from a soldiers boot! The cab 'dolly' will have two rails placed on the little cradles at top of the uprights. Cab base will sit on these rails while I work on it & assemble cab back, doors, dash, windscreen frame and nose panel, etc... When ready, it will be hoisted onto chassis as one piece, using the rails as lifting points. I have had some success with refining a method of having dash switch plates which are both truck color and have black highlight detail in the appropriate areas. It's lucky I have a second 'bad' large plate to play with and get this right. This is still a work in progress. The photo shows a trial of primer with black over. Primer being the substitute 'green' color, of course. I wanted to see what the black areas would look like if surrounds sanded, and also how the whole thing would look if I wanted to sand right back to brass with just the black detail. It's not a pretty picture, but is only for experimentation purposes. Will be stripped with thinners & done again in the true method.
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This afternoon, I took some time to remove old paint & rust scale from the cab rear panel. Prior to stripping, I could feel many wavy areas and feared what I may find once surface cleaned. The majority of the 'wibbles' were actually the spot welds, therefore not as bad overall as I expected. The trolley for cab base has come in handy as a good support with great accessability to both sides, while dents are being beaten. I was hoping to have the cab floor on this trolley today, but I didn't get time to retrieve it from sandblaster on Saturday. P2050656.jpg These holes for the rifle holding bracket (upper) seem to be intentionally recessed. Are the bolts for these similar to floor bolts? The proximity to top of the panel suggests they may have been recessed so the roof panel would sit over them. Is this correct? P2050659.jpg This is the remains of the twisted wire cup I used to strip the paint. It was about 85% when I started. I broke the last few strands as I removed the final square inch of crap. I believe I got my moneys worth out of it! Have found these stripping wheels work exceptionally well, if a little scary to use. P.S: The black color is etch primer. Once dents are repaired, it will go to sandblaster. I am hoping not to need filler on the repairs. Time will tell!
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Well........now that the auction is ended and I have won it, I can tell you about this great piece of Ford history. A book which seems to have been presented to the workers of the Ford factory, as a token of thanks (see the photo of letter). This book has ALL THE ADVERTISEMENTS Ford had published, apparently. I have been sweating on this auction ending, for the last few days. There were a number of other bidders, but I feel this book is so rare now & so significant (especially with the original letter still with it), that I had to have it at any cost!!!! The following is from the auction listing: FORD OF CANADA IN WARTIME produced by The Ford Motor Company of Canada, Limited. It is a rare book put out by Ford Motors of Canada containing the Ford institute advertisements art prints.As far as I can tell it was never put up for sale commercially, but given out as gifts. The original letter found just inside the cover is on Ford letterhead and dated August 12, 1946. Obviously typed out on an antique typewriter. Letter is Signed (by fountain pen) by W.H. Clark: G.S. , Personnel Manager.Collection of Advertisements published from 1941 to 1943, used to both inform and maintain moral. Published in a reduced size from the original Ads and brought together in book form. The written content is action packed and full of statistics of the mechanized war. See the following quotes: "Thousands upon thousands of modern fighting machines - artillery tractors, gun carriers, lorries, transport trucks, mobile workshops and other vehicles which make the motorized column a self-contained fighting unit." (from The Empire moves..on wheels!) "But there comes an anxious moment when the Tank Commander heads the land battleship for a pre-arranged "harbour" to get supplies and ammunition. With enemy air-craft overhead, enemy scouts prowling on all sides, camouflage is quickly thrown up and protective guns placed in position." (from Rendezvous Under Fire!) Includes: List of War events by yearOver 40 Action Art Prints with advertisement content for Ford V-8 Mercury engines Great Wartime action art prints depicting battles, factory and lab settings, nurses, infantry, big guns, bailey bridge and Soldiers under fire, etc. Sorry folks...................you let this one slip through ![]()
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Tony the pics are all missing - perhaps you can scan and upload some yourself, would love to see them.
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I use a lot of those twisted wire brushes, and will never use one without a full face screen and glasses. The amount of wire strands I have had that goes through several layers of clothes makes you realise how dangerous they are, but very effective. regards, Richard
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I know what you mean!
I have worn a number of the strands in my legs, while using the wire cups. Wearing long pants don't make a difference, and too hot for leather apron. I have a large wire cup that goes on a big sander/grinder/polisher, bit I haven't had the nerve to use it yet. I did try it on and run the sander, but the noise the cup of that size makes is quite terrifying!
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