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Old 08-06-10, 15:23
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Default M38A1 Engine needed

Just got the bad news on the rebuild of my M38A1 engine - Slightly less than the cost for providing security at the upcoming G8 conference!
If you have a spare engine for sale please let me know.
Clive
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Old 08-06-10, 17:01
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Just got the bad news on the rebuild of my M38A1 engine - Slightly less than the cost for providing security at the upcoming G8 conference!
If you have a spare engine for sale please let me know.
Clive
What's the diagnosis on your existing engine?

Clive, y'know if the block is cracked (as may well be the case), it can be magnafluxed - I did it with mine, which lasted over 30,000 miles of daily travel in the following three years.

If it's just gone too far oversize, then it can be bored and have new sleeves inserted.

Neither option is that expensive, and the F-head engine is strong as an ox otherwise.

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Old 08-06-10, 20:04
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Magnaflux is a form of crack detector. Methods to repair such cracks are welding (only for the most experienced on a cast block), brazing, stitching, and if it's only in the water jacket, various forms of epoxy can be used.

That said, reliability wise you are better off finding another block to work with. F head blocks are not that rare, and if you are going to sink the loot into machining, it might as well be on a good block.

All said and done, if one can find a good engine for $500 or so, it will be far cheaper than a rebuild.

As well, the Willys blocks were prone to wearing out. Most of the cam bushings were actually the block itself, so if these are worn, then even a complete rebuild will not restore all the oil pressure.
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Old 08-06-10, 20:39
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Default This is why Clive needs an engine.......

-Main bearing set (@ 30 thou under)

-cam bearing

-camshaft and lifters

-timing gear set

-4 x intake valves

-4 x intake guides

-4 x intake valve springs

-overhaul gasket set

-4 x pistons (@ 60 thou over

-full set of rings (@ 60 thou over)

-4 x rod bearings (30 thou under)

-4 x exhaust valves

-4 x exhaust guides

-4 x exhaust valve springs

-water pump (new or rebuilt)

Labour for doing this work would be $1474 + tax.


This doesn't include any machining that needs to be done etc.

About all that's left is the carb, head, dist and block.

Maybe Geoff can fix it up for you Clive? Can you have him deliver it t me in 2 weeks as well?


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Old 08-06-10, 21:15
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-Main bearing set (@ 30 thou under)

-cam bearing

-camshaft and lifters

-timing gear set

-4 x intake valves

-4 x intake guides

-4 x intake valve springs

-overhaul gasket set

-4 x pistons (@ 60 thou over

-full set of rings (@ 60 thou over)

-4 x rod bearings (30 thou under)

-4 x exhaust valves

-4 x exhaust guides

-4 x exhaust valve springs

-water pump (new or rebuilt)

Labour for doing this work would be $1474 + tax.


This doesn't include any machining that needs to be done etc.

About all that's left is the carb, head, dist and block.

Maybe Geoff can fix it up for you Clive? Can you have him deliver it t me in 2 weeks as well?


Don
Ouch. Sorry, but yeah, that engine's toast, comparatively speaking. My old 1953 F-head wasn't nearly that bad, and it was already 30 years old when I got it (and I thought it was buggered then!). I guess time has a way of distorting perspective...
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Old 08-06-10, 21:27
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Default Rebuilds are $2000.

Had them done. My MB rebuild was $2000. Not a lot when the jeep is done, and your mind rests easy.
Rebuild the fuel pump and carb while you are at it. Not a big job. And replace all fuel and brake lines,
My babbitted Chev engine was $2600 for the rebuild and the "rebuilder" called back to advise it was babbitted and raised it to that price.

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Old 08-06-10, 21:56
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-Main bearing set (@ 30 thou under)

-cam bearing

-camshaft and lifters

-timing gear set

-4 x intake valves

-4 x intake guides

-4 x intake valve springs

-overhaul gasket set

-4 x pistons (@ 60 thou over

-full set of rings (@ 60 thou over)

-4 x rod bearings (30 thou under)

-4 x exhaust valves

-4 x exhaust guides

-4 x exhaust valve springs

-water pump (new or rebuilt)

Labour for doing this work would be $1474 + tax.


This doesn't include any machining that needs to be done etc.

About all that's left is the carb, head, dist and block.

Maybe Geoff can fix it up for you Clive? Can you have him deliver it t me in 2 weeks as well?


Don
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Stick a blown 350 Chevy in it, Don..Clive wouldn't know the friggin' difference anyway..until he stepped on it..Tell him .."It's the new rings..man.."..lots of power now..
Clive would buy that..
As long as you leave it so it leaks a little oil on his driveway,he'll like it..
He is used to driving those old Triumphs..
You and Little Don heading out to BBB..??
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Old 09-06-10, 01:25
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This post is too close to home, I just bought a M38A1 (Ford) and the motor does not turn over. Will know in a couple of weeks if she turns. Does anyone have a good engine they would be will to sell. Also I have a parts M38 (1970) with a complete engine condition unknown. If I can find a rebuild kit I have a good engine rebuild shop that is reasonable and would like to rebuild the original engine. Gilles
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