Chrysler Corpn. LC427-C-PASS-1

[Hanno Spoelstra]

This is the Car, Light, Sedan 4x2 Chrysler Corporation LC427-C-PASS-1 from the Canadian Army Overseas Vehicle Data Book.

The Data Book refers to Parts list WM-3814 which has an extensive list with Model Codes (see 2nd pic). But which vehicle model is depicted in the Data Book?

Which models was the Canadian Army supplied with? Did they get them all the models shown in the parts list?

Chrysler LC427-C-PASS-1_Vehicle_Data_Book_Pt1.pdf_Adobe_Acrobat_Reader_DC_32_bit_.jpg WM3814 2.jpg

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Here is CM4233904, from Canada's Fighting Vehicles:

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[Hanno Spoelstra]

Jordan Baker has a Dodge D23C Special Deluxe model which he painted up in camouflage and marked up as CM4233905: 1942 Dodge/Chrysler

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[Hanno Spoelstra]

This 1941 Dodge Series D19 Deluxe sedan is marked up with census number CM4292138. It is on display at Valiant Air Command Inc. Warbird Museum, Titusville, Florida. I don't think there is a way of telling whether this is an original Canadian Army car or a civilian one painted up as such.

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Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_Custom

[Mike K]

Pics of a 1941 Dodge in RAAF service, this car is actually a Plymouth fitted with a fake Dodge grill, badges and trim, this was a cheap option that typically Chrysler preferred to use for the smaller markets. This car would be RHD and fitted with a TJ Richards body. Compared to other wartime staff car variants , very few of these were made and I think only two have survived , the RAAF seemed to be the main user although a few may have been sold to civilian hire car operators .

[Mike K]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

This 1941 Dodge Series D19 Deluxe sedan is marked up with census number CM4292138. It is on display at Valiant Air Command Inc. Warbird Museum, Titusville, Florida. I don't think there is a way of telling whether this is an original Canadian Army car or a civilian one painted up as such.

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Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_Custom

Hanno,

That car appears to be the Plymouth based version of a Dodge but it does have Dodge like features !

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Mike Kelly

That car appears to be the Plymouth based version of a Dodge but it does have Dodge like features !

Mike, the above, and "Plymouths fitted with fake Dodge grill, badges and trim" - I need to get my head around Chrysler's uncurbed badge engineering.

Which is why I bought that manual, should be an interesting read!

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

Here is CM4233904, from Canada's Fighting Vehicles:

To my question "Which model is depicted here and which models were supplied to the Canadian Army?" Bill Kreiner replied:

It's definitely a Plymouth P14, though I'm not sure if it's the S (Deluxe) or C (Special). Designated a 1942 in terms of model-year, it was introduced in the latter part of 1941, and stragglers were still being exported in 1943 and 1944. I presume the 1942 War Units page shown here lists the Canadian Army cars, but there is a separate Export page showing more, and I know the majority of these went to Australia. I wonder if perhaps some of the exports were overseas Canadian Army cars. The only year with a separate War Units page is 1942.
Edit (reviewed past communications): Australian automotive historian Eric North mentioned that the 42 Chrysler C34W models listed on the 1942 War Units sheet were delivered to the Australian Army in 1944. This suggests the War Units and Export categories of this period are a bit hazy.

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[Jordan Baker]

Here is a Dodge one. From the rear cover of CAM v1no4 January 1944

[Mike K]

A theory: The military 1941 De Soto ute I had , had the typical Aust. army requirement , where the nomenclature was stenciled on the firewall, I recall in that case, the model was SP11 . Reading the list Hanno uploaded ,I see that the 'S' was possibly meaning 'Special' . These Plymouth based army utes had heavier rear springs fitted than the standard sedans, and possibly other chassis mods. Maybe the 'S' covered those mods.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Biil wrote:

Not sure if anyone else has this book, but it lists blackout serials for some marques (the various Chrysler Corp. cars and Cadillac, from what I saw while browsing it today for other reasons). It doesn't distinguish military from civilian cars, but the military cars may well be in the blackout range.

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[Ed Storey]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

This is the Car, Light, Sedan 4x2 Chrysler Corporation LC427-C-PASS-1 from the Canadian Army Overseas Vehicle Data Book.

The Data Book refers to Parts list WM-3814 which has an extensive list with Model Codes (see 2nd pic). But which vehicle model is depicted in the Data Book?

Which models was the Canadian Army supplied with? Did they get them all the models shown in the parts list?

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From what I am seeing in the manual, it appears to me that Canada was using eight different 4x2 Light Sedan Models.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Ed Storey

From what I am seeing in the manual, it appears to me that Canada was using eight different 4x2 Light Sedan Models.

Indeed eight of the models listed were built in Canada, but seeing the US built ones are included, could they have been used as well?

I think not, the Chrysler 4x2 Light Car was not used much it seems. Most numerous were the cars by Ford and then Chevrolet. I do not know the pricing of the Plymouth, Dodge, DeSoto and Chrysler cars, but seeing they are essentially the same I reckon the Canadian government ordered the lowest priced ones.

Now, who has contract details for the Car, Light, Sedan 4x2?

[Hanno Spoelstra]

A Car, Heavy, Sedan. Is this a Buick?

Census number is CM4233912.

"Canadian Army Overseas Photo Holland.
Two members of HQ Canadian Forces in the Netherlands were married on 12 Oct. in the R.C. Chapel of the Kleine Seminary, Apeldoorn. Photo shows the Staff Car in which the happy couple drove away, surrounded by members of the CWAC Brass Band and H.Q. personnel. The bride is Pte. Flora Lizotte (CWAC), Winnipeg; the groom, Pte. Elden Simonson, Vancouver."

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Source: https://beeldbankwo2.nl/nl/beelden/d...f-4904f20ab85f

[Paul Singleton]

Looks like a 1942? Plymouth.

[Jordan Baker]

No. It appears to be a Dodge D23c Special Delux.

[Paul Singleton]

I knew it was a Chrysler product. The Dodge and Plymouth are virtually the same in those years.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Thanks Paul and Jordan. I still need to learn how to ID the various Chrysler cars from that era - and some say today's cars all look the same

They are not Light Cars in my European eyes either.

Now merged the thread with this one on the Car, Light, LC427-C-PASS-1.