Canadian tank names

[kevinT]

I have recently been sent a list of tank names used by the Canadian Army during WWII for:-

• HQ Squadron 5 Armoured Brigade
• Lord Strathconas Horse
• 8th Princess Loiuses ( New Brunswick ) Hussars
• British Columbia Dragoons

Could anyone please tell me the tank types used in HQ Squadron for the Brigadiers tank, Brigade Rear Link, OP tanks, Number 1 Protective Troop.

• LSH, Recce Troop, Ammunition tanks and Recovery tanks,
• 8th Princess Loiuse, Recce Troop and Recovery tanks,
• BCD, Recce Troop, Ammunition tanks and Recovery tanks,

I am assuming that the gun tanks were either Sherman IB, Sherman V and Firefly.
Thanks for any help or assistance. Also thanks to Mike for the list.

Cheers
Kevin

[John McGillivray]

I posted the list of the SdSH Sherman names here on ML about two years ago.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/47208...stories+-+LdSH

Tank types for LdSH would be as followers

• Regt HQ tanks - Sherman V
• Sqn HQ tanks - Sherman V with two tanks being replaced by 105mm Sherman Ibs starting in October 1944
• OP tanks - LdSh did not have ture OP tanks like those used by Artillery units, instead a number of their Sherman Vs were fitted with a second radio beside the co-driver and could be used by Arty FOOs attached to the LdSH as required.
• Recce Troop - Stuart Vs without turrets in Italy. replaced by Stuart VI with turrets after their move to NWE in March 1945
• Ammo tanks- Stuart V tanks without turrets discarded from recce troop and converted to ammo carriers in March 1945.
• Gun tanks - Sherman Vs with one 75mm tank in each troop being replaced by a Sherman IC starting in October 1944. Second Firefly (Sherman IC or Sherman V) added to each troop after move to NWE in March 1945. Note that each fighting troop in LdSH only had three tanks in Italy, but had four tanks in NWE.
• Recovery tanks - Rod and Ram - Sherman V

From the info that I have it appears that LdSH was the only Regiment in 5CAD to be issued Firefly tanks in Italy. Also I think that only one Regiment in 1CAB received them. It may have being the Ontario Regiment (11CAR) because it is the senior regiment of the Brigade. I know that the Three Rivers Regiment did not have Fireflies in Italy.

Kevin can you share this info with others?

[kevinT]

Response to Re: Canadian tank types

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The names and numbers listed below come from a number of sources, books, web sites, model forums and kind souls who have forwarded information to me. All I have done is to compile the various bits and pieces.
I have only added the Recce Troop, Ammunition and Recovery Tanks names for LdSH rather than duplicate the great information John has done in a former post.
If anyone can add any additional WD serials or match those listed to the names it would be much appreciated.
I hope this is of some use to some one.

HQ Squadron 5th Canadian Armoured Brigade
Tank: No Name
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Thor" Brigadiers Tank
M5A1, Stuart Mk VI T271450 "Toronto" Brigadiers Recce
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Triton" Brigade Rear Link
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Terror" O.P.
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Torment" O.P.
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Torture" O.P.
Infantry, Mk III, Valentine "Tay" Bridgelayer
Infantry, Mk III, Valentine "Thames" Bridgelayer
Infantry, Mk III, Valentine "Tweed" Bridgelayer

2nd Armoured Regiment, Lord Strathcona's Horse ( Royal Canadians ), 5th Armoured Division
M5A1, Stuart Mk VI "Sally" Ammunition Carrier
M5A1, Stuart Mk VI "Saskatoon" Ammunition Carrier
M5A1, Stuart Mk VI "Sonya" Ammunition Carrier
M5A1, Stuart Mk VI "Stardust" Ammunition Carrier
M5A1, Stuart Mk VI "Swede" Ammunition Carrier
M5A1, Stuart Mk VI "Sweetheart" Ammunition Carrier
M5A1, Stuart Mk VI "Sylvia" Ammunition Carrier
M5A1, Stuart Mk VI "Scooter" Recce Troop
M5A1, Stuart Mk VI "Scrapper" Recce Troop
M5A1, Stuart Mk VI "Shadow" Recce Troop
M5A1, Stuart Mk VI "Sinner" Recce Troop
M5A1, Stuart Mk VI "Skipper" Recce Troop
M5A1, Stuart Mk VI "Slasher" Recce Troop
M5A1, Stuart Mk VI "Slugger" Recce Troop
M5A1, Stuart Mk VI "Socker" Recce Troop
M5A1, Stuart Mk VI "Spider" Recce Troop
M5A1, Stuart Mk VI "Spotter" Recce Troop
M5A1, Stuart Mk VI "Stalker" Recce Troop
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Ram" ARV
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Rod" ARV
M4A4, Sherman Mk V CT146617
M4A4, Sherman Mk V CT148622
M4A4, Sherman Mk V CT153687

8th Princess Louise ( New Brunswick ) Hussars, 5th Armoured Regiment, 5th Canadian Armoured Division
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Achilles" A Sqn HQ
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Agha Khan" A Sqn HQ
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Appollo" A Sqn HQ
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Auchenleck" A Sqn HQ
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Adder II" A Sqn 1 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Albatross IX" A Sqn 1 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Amherst" A Sqn 1 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Ant Eater" A Sqn 1 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Abegeweit" A Sqn 2 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Acorn II" A Sqn 2 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Apohaqui" A Sqn 2 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Artichoke" A Sqn 2 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Abitibi" A Sqn 3 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Amur II" A Sqn 3 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Anagance" A Sqn 3 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Aroostock III" A Sqn 3 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Alcatraz II" A Sqn 4 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Annapolis" A Sqn 4 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Arizona II" A Sqn 4 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Avonmore" A Sqn 4 Trp
M4, Sherman Mk IB "Bonar II" B Sqn HQ
M4, Sherman Mk IB "Balboa" B Sqn HQ
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Beatty" B Sqn HQ
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Byng" B Sqn HQ
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Bittern" B Sqn 1 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Bluebird" B Sqn 1 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Bluejay" B Sqn 1 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Buzzard" B Sqn 1 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Beet" B Sqn 2 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Broccolli" B Sqn 2 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V CT231758"Bulls Eye" B Sqn 2 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Burdock II" B Sqn 2 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Bayswater" B Sqn 3 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Belleisle II" B Sqn 3 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Bridgewater" B Sqn 3 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Buctouche III" B Sqn 3 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Bagdad" B Sqn 4 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Boston" B Sqn 4 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Brooklyn" B Sqn 4 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V CT231748"Barcelona" B Sqn 4 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Cabot" C Sqn HQ
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Columbus" C Sqn HQ
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Cook" C Sqn HQ
M4A4, Sherman Mk V CT212442"Cartier" C Sqn HQ
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Cairo" C Sqn 1 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Chatam" C Sqn 1 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Coriano" C Sqn 1 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Cyprus" C Sqn 1 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Cedar" C Sqn 2 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Cherry" C Sqn 2 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V CT231802"Chestnut" C Sqn 2 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Chicory" C Sqn 2 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Chaleur" C Sqn 3 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Chanty" C Sqn 3 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Clark" C Sqn 3 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Como" C Sqn 3 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Canada" C Sqn 4 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Ceontello" C Sqn 4 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Cornwall" C Sqn 4 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Crowborough" C Sqn 4 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Hampton" RHQ
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Havoc" RHQ
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Hot Box" RHQ
M4A4, Sherman Mk V CT231904"Hussar" RHQ
M5A1, Stuart Mk VI "Haggis" Recce Troop
M5A1, Stuart Mk VI "Halibut" Recce Troop
M5A1, Stuart Mk VI "Heather" Recce Troop
M5A1, Stuart Mk VI "Hector" Recce Troop
M5A1, Stuart Mk VI "Hellcat" Recce Troop
M5A1, Stuart Mk VI "Herbie" Recce Troop
M5A1, Stuart Mk VI "Herring" Recce Troop
M5A1, Stuart Mk VI "Hesperus" Recce Troop
M5A1, Stuart Mk VI "Hobo" Recce Troop
M5A1, Stuart Mk VI "Hoo-Doo" Recce Troop
M5A1, Stuart Mk VI "Huron" Recce Troop
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Heaver" ARV
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Hefter" ARV
M4A4, Sherman Mk V CT147334
M4A4, Sherman Mk V CT152541
M4A4, Sherman Mk V CT236952

9th Armoured Regiment, British Columbia Dragoons, 5th Armoured Brigade, 5th Armoured Division
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Adolphus" A Sqn HQ
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Aloysius" A Sqn HQ
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Alphonse" A Sqn HQ
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Augustus" A Sqn HQ
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Anophile" A Sqn 1 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Ant" A Sqn 1 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Asp" A Sqn 1 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Auk" A Sqn 1 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Alfalfa" A Sqn 2 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Apple" A Sqn 2 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Ash" A Sqn 2 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Asparagus" A Sqn 2 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Adriatic" A Sqn 3 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Arctic" A Sqn 3 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Assinboine" A Sqn 3 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Atlan" A Sqn 3 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Acton" A Sqn 4 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Ancaster" A Sqn 4 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Andover" A Sqn 4 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Ascot" A Sqn 4 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V CT231759 B Sqn
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Barnacle Bill" B Sqn HQ
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Beaverbrook" B Sqn HQ
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Bluebeard" B Sqn HQ
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Bonaparte" B Sqn HQ
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Badger" B Sqn 1 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Bison" B Sqn 1 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Bruin" B Sqn 1 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Bulldog" B Sqn 1 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Bamboo" B Sqn 2 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Barleycorn" B Sqn 2 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Begonia" B Sqn 2 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Bullrush B Sqn 2 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Bella Coola" B Sqn 3 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Bosphorous" B Sqn 3 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Bow" B Sqn 3 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Bug" B Sqn 3 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Barkerville" B Sqn 4 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Bercee" B Sqn 4 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Blighty" B Sqn 4 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Burnaby" B Sqn 4 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Cecil III" C Sqn HQ
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Ceris I" C Sqn HQ
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Clair I" C Sqn HQ
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Cutherbert III"C Sqn HQ
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Catamount" C Sqn 1 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Collie" C Sqn 1 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Colt II" C Sqn 1 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Coyote" C Sqn 1 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Cantelope VI" C Sqn 2 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Cinnamon IV" C Sqn 2 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Citron" C Sqn 2 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Cucumber" C Sqn 2 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Catuga IV" C Sqn 3 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Chatenooga III"C Sqn 3 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Columbia II" C Sqn 3 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Cowichan" C Sqn 3 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Casade III" C Sqn 4 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Chasm II" C Sqn 4 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Comox III" C Sqn 4 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Courtenay" C Sqn 4 Trp
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Dauntless V" RHQ
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Dracula I" RHQ
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Dragoon II" RHQ
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Drake II" RHQ
M5A1, Stuart Mk VI "Dagwood I" Recce Troop
M5A1, Stuart Mk VI "Daisy II" Recce Troop
M5A1, Stuart Mk VI "Daylight III" Recce Troop
M5A1, Stuart Mk VI "Debonair II" Recce Troop
M5A1, Stuart Mk VI "Diamond II" Recce Troop
M5A1, Stuart Mk VI "Dinghy II" Recce Troop
M5A1, Stuart Mk VI "Dolphin II" Recce Troop
M5A1, Stuart Mk VI "Duchess III" Recce Troop
M5A1, Stuart Mk VI "Dundas II" Recce Troop
M5A1, Stuart Mk VI "Dusky III" Recce Troop
M5A1, Stuart Mk VI "Dynamo" Recce Troop
M5A1, Stuart Mk VI "Dainty" Ammunition Carrier
M5A1, Stuart Mk VI "Danger" Ammunition Carrier
M5A1, Stuart Mk VI "Dumbell" Ammunition Carrier
M5A1, Stuart Mk VI "Deacon" Ammunition Carrier
M5A1, Stuart Mk VI "Delirious" Ammunition Carrier
M5A1, Stuart Mk VI "Dinosaur" Ammunition Carrier
M5A1, Stuart Mk VI "Ditto" Ammunition Carrier
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Dash I" ARV
M4A4, Sherman Mk V "Dot I" ARV
M4A4, Sherman Mk V CT151433
M4A4, Sherman Mk V CT151845
M4A4, Sherman Mk V CT152490
M4A4, Sherman Mk V CT152764
M4A4, Sherman Mk V CT228317

Cheers
Kevin

[John McGillivray]

Thank you Kevin for the tank names.

The only problem I have is with the ammo tanks. In the LdSH Regimental history it states that the ammo tanks were old Stuart Vs (M3A3) that were used by the recce troop in Italy. When LdSH moved to NWE in March 1945 the recce troop’s M3A3 were replaced by M5A1s (Stuart VI). Seven of the old recce tanks were retained and converted to ammo carriers.

Dose anyone know it the old Stuarts kept their names from the recce troop, or were they given new names with the old names being transferred to the new M5A1s?

Here is a photo from the Regimental history showing two of the ammo carriers.

[kevinT]

Thanks John,

I didn't have an actual date for the names so I was unsure of the tank types, hence the question.

Can you make out the WD on that Ammo carrier? It would be another off the list.

Cheers
Kevin

[Perry Kitson]

Kevin,
I noticed in your list of tank names for HQ in the 5TH Brigade you have a M5A1 Stuart "Toronto". Years ago, talking to the late Bill Gregg, he mentioned that during the restoration of his M5A1 they uncovered the name Toronto. I wonder if this is the same vehicle, now residing, I believe, in Shilo, Manitoba.

Perry

[John McGillivray]

Originally Posted by kevinT

Thanks John,

Can you make out the WD on that Ammo carrier? It would be another off the list.

Cheers
Kevin

Sorry Kevin, I could not read the WD number in the photo. The Regimental history was published in 1947 and the photo is very grainy.

Originally Posted by Perry Kitson

Kevin,
I noticed in your list of tank names for HQ in the 5TH Brigade you have a M5A1 Stuart "Toronto". Years ago, talking to the late Bill Gregg, he mentioned that during the restoration of his M5A1 they uncovered the name Toronto. I wonder if this is the same vehicle, now residing, I believe, in Shilo, Manitoba.

Perry

I don’t think so. The Canadians left their tanks in Holland after the end of the war. Only a hand full of AFV were returned to Canada. M5A1s were also used in Canada after the war, so most likely they are different tanks.

[Eugene_Watts]

WOW!!
Such wonderful Information will help me greatly on my future model Projects. I know this is a Complication of the 5th CAD. But I was wondering if there is anywhere I can find a list similar to this for the Canadian Grenadier Guards or Gov Gen Horse Guards. Thank you so much in advance I have been looking and asking around and have drawn nothing but 3 of for names. APE, AMAZE, Bristle and Beacon for GGHG and nothing for CGG or their unique numbering system I am still trying to figure that out. I think it is similar to the 28th Armoured Regiment (The British Columbia Regiment) but I don't know what their numbers mean. and how they were marked on the Tanks. So any guidance would be great.

Respectfully.
Euge

[kevinT]

Hi Eugene,

I only know to a couple of CGG names:-
Sherman V
LIZA NAC PA116747
GRENADIER CO's tank

GGHG ( not sure if Stuart's are M3A3 or M5's )
B Sqn recce
Stuart
BRANT, BATTER
B Sqn
Sherman V
BALA II, BRIGHT
Sherman Vc
BORDEN, BRYANT
Sherman IB
BRISTLE T259572
Sherman II
BULL, BUNYON
C Sqn SHQ
Sherman V
CANNY, CLASSIC, CRAFTY, CRIMSON, CURIOUS
Stuart
CREAM
C Sqn
1 troop
Stuart
CAPREOL, COBALT
Sherman
CHATHAM, COBOURG
2 troop
Stuart
CHARGE, CRACKLE
Sherman
COMBAT
3 troop
Stuart
CAESAR, CORTEZ
Sherman
CAIN II, CANUTE
4 troop
Stuart
CHINCILLA, CHIPMUNK
Sherman
CHEETAH
Sherman II
CHIMPANZEE

Also Sherman Vc ALEC

If anyone can add anything more such as census or turret numbers it would be appreciated.

Hope this helps.

Cheers

Kevin

[Eugene_Watts]

Kevin

As always Amazing!! . Second Question would you or any one else out here know of the numbering system of CGG,SAR or BCR. and how does the Fireflys fit in?? I cant figure out the combinations.
as troops and and the tanks.

Sher V, T 148187, B13, 2, -
Sher V, T 148307, B3, 2, -
Sher V, T 148549, B11, 2, -
Sher V, T 148551, B1, 2, -
Sher V, T 148622, B12, 2, -
Sher V, T 148643, B2, 2, -
Sher V, T 148714, B33, 2, -
Sher V, T 150302, B42, 2, -
Sher V, T 150617, B43, 2, -
Sher V, T 212294, B32, 2, -
Sher V, T 212597, B22, 2, -
Sher V, T 212609, B31, 2, -
Sher V, T 212677, B41, 2, -
Sher V, T 212681, B23, 2, -
Sher V, T 228641, B21, 2, -

[Robert Bergeron]

Hey Kev,

I know i am late in asking but would you have nicknames for the Tanks of the 27 th , the Sherbrooke Fusilers ?

I am from Sherbrooke and all and i knew a wartime tank commander ( Sgt Fowlis ) so ...

Thanks.

Robert

[kevinT]

Hi Robert,

I have the following:-

A Sqn
ALPHA T152543 Sherman III
AMIABLE Sherman V
ASP Sherman III
CARIBOU III Sherman III

B Sqn
BARBARA
BE GOOD
BLITZ Sherman Vc T148475
BOHUNK
BOMB Sherman III CT152656
BOMBEE
BOMBER Sherman III

C Sqn
CHASER Sherman Vc T212703
CHERRY Sherman III T147129
CHIN Sherman III
CHOO Sherman III
CRAP Sherman V T152478
GHOST Sherman III

If anyone can add anymore it would be much appreciated.

Robert I hope this helps.

Cheers

Kevin

[maple_leaf_eh]

There's a name for the ages!

[David Dunlop]

Yes, Terry.

I wondered if the crew said, 'Oh CRAP! Here we go again!' every morning, when they fired her up.

David

[Eugene_Watts]

Does any one else out here know of the numbering system of CGG,SAR or BCR. and how does the Fireflys fit in?? I cant figure out the combinations.
as troops and and the tanks. Using this as an example??

Sher V, T 148187, B13, 2, -
Sher V, T 148307, B3, 2, -
Sher V, T 148549, B11, 2, -
Sher V, T 148551, B1, 2, -
Sher V, T 148622, B12, 2, -
Sher V, T 148643, B2, 2, -
Sher V, T 148714, B33, 2, -
Sher V, T 150302, B42, 2, -
Sher V, T 150617, B43, 2, -
Sher V, T 212294, B32, 2, -
Sher V, T 212597, B22, 2, -
Sher V, T 212609, B31, 2, -
Sher V, T 212677, B41, 2, -
Sher V, T 212681, B23, 2, -
Sher V, T 228641, B21, 2, -

[Tim Bell]

My Sherman VC is T289477... Was Struck Off Service 21 CAR June 45.

Name on tank... 'Gaucho'... But not known when this was applied.

Any info on this T number would be greatly appreciated.

Tim

[Robert Bergeron]

Many thanks ( ...tanks ) Kevin.

I will ask SGT Fowlis's son Dave for his dad's tank nickname.

That way i will learn the Sqn / troop he worked in.

You you '' Bomb '' is famous and still in existence in Sherbrooke don't you ?

Cheers.

Robert

[chris vickery]

I believe the name "Toronto" was assumed as a tribute on Greggs Stuart.
My uncle was the one who sandblasted that tank and the name Fury was what was found...

[Stew Robertson]

You should be sure of your facts Chris

[chris vickery]

Care to enlighten me on this Stew? Take it off forum if necessary, just going by the history as related to me by a guy who was there at the time as you were

[kevinT]

Hi Chris,

I have been trying to establish if T271450 was issued to 5 CAB HQ only. If not FURY could have been "previously owned". But no joy so far.
Know anything?

Cheers

Kevin

[Robert Bergeron]

Could Hollywood have stolen the ''Fury '' nickname from us to make a film ?

[Julian Weber]

From the info that I have it appears that LdSH was the only Regiment in 5CAD to be issued Firefly tanks in Italy. Also I think that only one Regiment in 1CAB received them. It may have being the Ontario Regiment (11CAR) because it is the senior regiment of the Brigade. I know that the Three Rivers Regiment did not have Fireflies in Italy.

Can Anybody confirm this? If it is not the 11th, do you know if there were any Fireflies issued to the 1CAB at all in Italy?

[John McGillivray]

Originally Posted by Julian Weber

Can Anybody confirm this? If it is not the 11th, do you know if there were any Fireflies issued to the 1CAB at all in Italy?

Updated information. It was the Calgary Regiment , and not the Ontario Regiment which were issued with Firefly tanks in Italy. The Ontario Regiment only received the 17 pdr Shermans after their move to NWE in March 1945. Note that all Canadian Armoured Regiments in Italy did receive six 105mm Sherman IBs in the fall of 1944.
http://contentdm.ucalgary.ca/cdm/com...n/cmh/id/21185

[Julian Weber]

Thank you, John. Where do you have that info from about the Calgary regiment receiving Fireflies in Italy? Is it in the book you linked? If yes which page?

Julian

[John McGillivray]

Originally Posted by Julian Weber

Thank you, John. Where do you have that info from about the Calgary regiment receiving Fireflies in Italy? Is it in the book you linked? If yes which page?

The AFV Situation Report for 5th Army Group 14 February 1945, shows that 1CAB had 152 75mm Sherman Vs (M4A4), 11 17 pdr Sherman IC (M4), 18 105mm Sherman IB (M4), 2 Grant T2 ARV (M31), 2 Valentine Bridge layers and 33 Stuart Recce. (Note that the web site that I saved this information from no longer works)

The information that 14CAR received the 17 pdr Shermans 1C comes from CMHQ Report No 175, para 45. Note that from the AFV returns 14 CAR did not receive any 76mm Sherman 1As.

http://www.cmp-cpm.forces.gc.ca/dhh-...hq/cmhq175.pdf

[Julian Weber]

Thank you.

How about the Info about Lord Strathcona. Can you confirm (and maybe give me your source about the Straths being the only Regiment in 5CAD fielding Fireflies in Italy?

Also would they (at least at the start of the campaign) have had Sherman IIIs?

If not the Straths who else in the I. Canadian Corps would have fielded them?
Didn't the 5th take over the Desert Rats' equipment, which I assumed included Sherman IIIs.

[John McGillivray]

No Sherman III in LdSH. They did not take the tanks from 7AD. but waited for new Sherman Vs (M4A4)

Source: Lord Strathcona's Horse (Royal Canadians) A Record of Achievment by J.M. McAvity (1947)

http://www.network54.com/Forum/47208...stories+-+LdSH

See Also:

http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...ad.php?t=25644

[Julian Weber]

Was there any other Canadian Sherman III in Italy then?

[John McGillivray]

Originally Posted by Julian Weber

Any other Canadian Sherman III then?

In 2nd Canadian Armoured Brigade.